[Vision2020] Holocaust Toons

Matt Decker mattd2107 at hotmail.com
Tue Feb 7 19:51:19 PST 2006 

J

Where do I get off? The way I take it is that Art doesnt see any good in 
religion, and so yes that is dead set. Of course I could be assuming. There 
are good things too.

The comparison is still the same. The day that ccc starts cutting off heads 
with a rusty knife, then and only then will I demonize them.

matthew

>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Holocaust Toons
>Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:11:24 -0800
>
>It is DOUG WILSON who started the name calling, the labeling of those that 
>don't follow his way of thinking/living, who insists that not following HIM 
>and HIS WAY is tantamount to blasphemy, who continues to this very day to 
>say those not in HIS favor are evil and the enemy, etc.
>
>They cut with the rusty knife of excommunication, character assassination, 
>the loss of income, the break-up of marriages, the condoning of adultery, 
>the public pronouncement of death to those whose life "style" they don't 
>agree with, etc.
>
>It is CC that ignore pleas for the people who leave, to have their life be 
>spared and who continue to turn deaf ears and eyes to the obvious 
>mis-behavior and outright disdain for law of their "pastor", that the rest 
>of the citizens of this community follow.
>
>Where do you get off stating that Art or anyone else is "dead set in 
>their(your) views"?
>
>J  :]
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
>>To: deco at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Holocaust Toons
>>Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 17:58:07 -0800
>>
>>Art,
>>
>>Glad to see you are dead set in your views and label all those who have 
>>found religion as a bad thing. I agree that throughout history religion 
>>has influenced believers into a frenzy of hatred and death. I also believe 
>>that it has also inspired individuals to help others.
>>
>>As in local religion, you are labeling those cccers as evil entities of 
>>this world. Art the day that christ church goers start cutting off heads 
>>with a rusty 12" knife, while the person is pleading for his life, which 
>>turns into a blood curdeling scream, is the day you have convinced me.
>>
>>Matthew D
>>
>>
>>>From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>>>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Holocaust Toons
>>>Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:58:32 -0800
>>>
>>>Robert, et al,
>>>
>>>Perhaps we need to be very careful about condemning all Moslems on the 
>>>basis of what we have seen from terrorists and those who are now 
>>>hating/rioting/destructively venting in the cartoon flap.  There are, no 
>>>doubt what-so-ever, some very terrible people who are or who profess to 
>>>be Moslems, and worse, profess to be the "true" leaders of Islam and who 
>>>wish to do many of us great, great harm.
>>>
>>>However, not all Moslems take this view; not all Moslems hate Jews.  Just 
>>>as the local CCC does not represent anything but a crackpot fringe cult 
>>>of Christianity, hard-line Moslems, regardless of what they claim, do not 
>>>represent all of Islam.  It is to the moderate Moslems that we need to 
>>>appeal and to attempt to dialogue and to co-exist with.
>>>
>>>As a non-believer, I see the use of religious fervor by terrorists, 
>>>politicians, and others, no matter what religion is professed, to be 
>>>extremely scary.  Not only can irrational religious/superstitious beliefs 
>>>be very powerful, passionate, mind-numbing motivators, it is extremely 
>>>scary because unlike gravity, string theory, electricity, etc, there is 
>>>currently no way to determine which set of religious beliefs, if any, are 
>>>true.
>>>
>>>This unfortunate state of affairs of total religious ignorance, and no 
>>>way of alleviating it yet discovered, is one main reason why religionists 
>>>resort to all kinds of rhetorical tricks to convince themselves and to 
>>>convince everyone else that their claims are the only "true" ones.  
>>>Rioting, for example, is a similar rhetorical device to shouting to 
>>>convince others that you are correct.  A "Whoever can shout the loudest 
>>>wins." mentality. Rioting/hating/etc also potently engages the passions, 
>>>further preventing rational thought/investigation into 
>>>religious/superstitious claims and their effects on actions.
>>>
>>>I do not know what the solution is.  I know from living here and living 
>>>in/visiting primarily Islamic areas that once so-called religious 
>>>"truths" are invoked to justify an attitude or a behavior, all hope is 
>>>lost for a rational solution.
>>>
>>>It appears extremely, extremely unlikely that the peoples of the world 
>>>will suddenly recognize that religious/superstitious fantasies are just 
>>>that --  unverifiable, troglodytic fantasies.
>>>
>>>If history has taught us anything it is:  Religious/superstitious 
>>>fantasies certainly have useful purposes at times, but are not the kind 
>>>of knowledge on which to successfully base/predict probable outcomes in 
>>>the universe as we know it.  Until, or more realistically, if, that 
>>>fundamental state of affairs is recognized, horrific, perhaps humankind 
>>>annihilating strife will grow and continue.
>>>
>>>Those who have known me for a long time know that it has been for at 
>>>least 50 years and is my opinion that the end of humankind will not be 
>>>wrought by some alleged god or gods invisibly hiding/lurking in the 
>>>shadows, but some f**king maniacs acting as if those alleged invisible 
>>>shadows have substance and that these f**king maniacs know exactly what 
>>>those invisible shadows are bidding.
>>>
>>>There is some probability, perhaps greater than 0.50, given the current 
>>>state of technology/knowledge, the near end of humankind will occur 
>>>within 25 years and be wrought by religious fanatics.
>>>
>>>I am glad I am old and hopefully be gone by then.
>>>
>>>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>>>deco at moscow.com
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: <mekt7 at netscape.net>
>>>To: <Vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:30 PM
>>>Subject: [Vision2020] Holocaust Toons
>>>
>>>
>>>>One can hardly be surprised that Iran wants to play like the little boy 
>>>>who, when offended, shouts, "Oh yeah? Well your momma!, is going to do 
>>>>Holocaust cartoons. It does nothing for their cause but show the world 
>>>>the true face of Islam, a violent and hostile threat to the peace of the 
>>>>world.
>>>>
>>>>Robert
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