[Vision2020] Re: Cindy was invited
Sunil Ramalingam
sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Thu Feb 2 21:54:30 PST 2006
Pat,
In an earlier post you stated that you've taught the constitution. Let me
ask you this, fully anticipating you will not answer:
Does the First Amendment only offer speech that is not 'in your face?'
Sunil
>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Cindy was invited
>Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:33:50 -0800
>
>Cindys invitation and her shirt were an 'in your face' action. She was
>treated accordingly.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:04 PM
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Re: Cindy was invited
>
>
>Sunil
>
>The statement with regard to Sheehan was neither inaccurate not gratuitous.
>She is a flaming anti-Semite who has drawn support form the largest
>neo-Nazi
>organization currently in existence in the US. Ever see her ask that the
>Neo-Nazi supporters of her cause not show up in Crawford? Ever hear her
>say
>that her son died for Israel? How about her 'dirty Jews' commentaries?
>
>Susan Estrich is hardly an Iraq War supporter and a pretty good civil
>liberties lawyer and Democratic Party Activist. She has noted that Sheehan
>is a flaming bigot and anti-Semite. Hard to suggest that Estrich, Hilary's
>former chief of staff, is in some GOP smear campaign against poor little
>Cindy.
>
>State control of speech? We can say what we will, but we are not granted
>the right to say it where we wish. I do not have a given right to a half
>hour TV show to express my views or the right unless elected to express my
>views on the floor of Congress. I have every right to stand out side of
>the
>building and shout my views to the heavens, to write and hand out leaflets
>expressing my views and to express my views when appropriate space is made
>for public commentary. That is well established law and I am sure you
>studied that in Law School.
>
>Phil Nisbet
>
>
>
> >From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Re: Cindy was invited
> >Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:06:36 -0800
> >
> >Phil,
> >
> >Gratuitous and inaccurate insults for Sheehan aside, is this a state
> >restriction of free speech?
> >
> >Sunil
> >
> >
> >>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
> >>To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> >>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Re: Cindy was invited
> >>Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:04:50 -0800
> >>
> >>Sunil
> >>
> >>Free speech rights do have limits. There is the famous shouoting fire
>in
> >>a crowded theater example and for that matter there are incitement to
>riot
> >>examples.
> >>
> >>But all of that goes beyond the factor at play here. The Capitol Police
> >>work for the US Congress and not for the executive branch. The rules
> >>regarding political T-shirts and general decorum are posted and have
>been
> >>there for decades. They apply when Congress is in session and also
>apply
> >>when the Chamber is empty. That has been the case under Democratic
> >>Administration and Democratic Congresses, nixed Congress and
> >>administrations and in purely Republican administrations.
> >>
> >>If I walk into the Moscow City Ciouncil Meeting and babble verses from
> >>Yellow Submarine, I am not excercising my first amendment rights, I am
> >>disrupting the proceedings of government. The City Council may also
>make
> >>rules that bar me from brining huge banners or even ban me from wearing
> >>certain clothes or going naked at council meetings. They can bar me
>from
> >>speaking until times set up for public comment and can eject me from
>their
> >>porceedings if I chose to comment outside of the space made for public
> >>input. Not one of those is an abrigement of my right to free speech.
> >>
> >>The Congressman's wife who was wearing a Pro-Iraq Tshirt was asked to
>step
> >>outside. Hauptsturmbahnfurher Sheehan was asked to leave as well. The
> >>Capital Polices only fault here was in arresting one of them rather than
> >>simply ejecting her. They gave her an apology fir having arrsted her,
>not
> >>for having her removed from the Gallery.
> >>
> >>Phil Nisbet
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> >>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Re: Cindy was invited
> >>>Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 06:03:49 -0800
> >>>
> >>>It was wrong to eject anyone for political speech. If it happened when
> >>>Clinton was president (facts, Pat?) it would have been wrong then too.
> >>>
> >>>Bush's campaign has regularly ejected people at political events for
> >>>engaging in political speech. What makes this one a little different
>is
> >>>that there was an immediate apology, and the actors denying the speech
> >>>were state agents. The result is the same, however: citizens are
>denied
> >>>their right to free speech.
> >>>
> >>>Sunil
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
> >>>>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>>>Subject: [Vision2020] Re: Cindy was invited
> >>>>Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:48:23 -0800
> >>>>
> >>>>They all did and also that a senators wife had also been ejected.
>Also,
> >>>>it has been done before during Clintons reign. I believe they have all
> >>>>apologized at this time.
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Ellen Roskovich
> >>>> To: pkraut at moscow.com ; vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:37 AM
> >>>> Subject: Cindy was invited
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I watched the State of the Union speech on NWCN last night and they
> >>>>reported Cindy was invited, but was arrested when she wouldn't cover
> >>>>the anti war t-shirt she was wearing.
> >>>>
> >>>> Did any other news channels say this?
> >>>>
> >>>> Ellen Roskovich
> >>>
> >>>
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