[Vision2020] Re: Cindy was invited
Pat Kraut
pkraut at moscow.com
Thu Feb 2 17:33:50 PST 2006
Cindys invitation and her shirt were an 'in your face' action. She was
treated accordingly.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:04 PM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Re: Cindy was invited
Sunil
The statement with regard to Sheehan was neither inaccurate not gratuitous.
She is a flaming anti-Semite who has drawn support form the largest neo-Nazi
organization currently in existence in the US. Ever see her ask that the
Neo-Nazi supporters of her cause not show up in Crawford? Ever hear her say
that her son died for Israel? How about her 'dirty Jews' commentaries?
Susan Estrich is hardly an Iraq War supporter and a pretty good civil
liberties lawyer and Democratic Party Activist. She has noted that Sheehan
is a flaming bigot and anti-Semite. Hard to suggest that Estrich, Hilary's
former chief of staff, is in some GOP smear campaign against poor little
Cindy.
State control of speech? We can say what we will, but we are not granted
the right to say it where we wish. I do not have a given right to a half
hour TV show to express my views or the right unless elected to express my
views on the floor of Congress. I have every right to stand out side of the
building and shout my views to the heavens, to write and hand out leaflets
expressing my views and to express my views when appropriate space is made
for public commentary. That is well established law and I am sure you
studied that in Law School.
Phil Nisbet
>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Re: Cindy was invited
>Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:06:36 -0800
>
>Phil,
>
>Gratuitous and inaccurate insults for Sheehan aside, is this a state
>restriction of free speech?
>
>Sunil
>
>
>>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>>To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Re: Cindy was invited
>>Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:04:50 -0800
>>
>>Sunil
>>
>>Free speech rights do have limits. There is the famous shouoting fire in
>>a crowded theater example and for that matter there are incitement to riot
>>examples.
>>
>>But all of that goes beyond the factor at play here. The Capitol Police
>>work for the US Congress and not for the executive branch. The rules
>>regarding political T-shirts and general decorum are posted and have been
>>there for decades. They apply when Congress is in session and also apply
>>when the Chamber is empty. That has been the case under Democratic
>>Administration and Democratic Congresses, nixed Congress and
>>administrations and in purely Republican administrations.
>>
>>If I walk into the Moscow City Ciouncil Meeting and babble verses from
>>Yellow Submarine, I am not excercising my first amendment rights, I am
>>disrupting the proceedings of government. The City Council may also make
>>rules that bar me from brining huge banners or even ban me from wearing
>>certain clothes or going naked at council meetings. They can bar me from
>>speaking until times set up for public comment and can eject me from their
>>porceedings if I chose to comment outside of the space made for public
>>input. Not one of those is an abrigement of my right to free speech.
>>
>>The Congressman's wife who was wearing a Pro-Iraq Tshirt was asked to step
>>outside. Hauptsturmbahnfurher Sheehan was asked to leave as well. The
>>Capital Polices only fault here was in arresting one of them rather than
>>simply ejecting her. They gave her an apology fir having arrsted her, not
>>for having her removed from the Gallery.
>>
>>Phil Nisbet
>>
>>
>>>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Re: Cindy was invited
>>>Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 06:03:49 -0800
>>>
>>>It was wrong to eject anyone for political speech. If it happened when
>>>Clinton was president (facts, Pat?) it would have been wrong then too.
>>>
>>>Bush's campaign has regularly ejected people at political events for
>>>engaging in political speech. What makes this one a little different is
>>>that there was an immediate apology, and the actors denying the speech
>>>were state agents. The result is the same, however: citizens are denied
>>>their right to free speech.
>>>
>>>Sunil
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>>>>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>Subject: [Vision2020] Re: Cindy was invited
>>>>Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:48:23 -0800
>>>>
>>>>They all did and also that a senators wife had also been ejected. Also,
>>>>it has been done before during Clintons reign. I believe they have all
>>>>apologized at this time.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Ellen Roskovich
>>>> To: pkraut at moscow.com ; vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:37 AM
>>>> Subject: Cindy was invited
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I watched the State of the Union speech on NWCN last night and they
>>>>reported Cindy was invited, but was arrested when she wouldn't cover
>>>>the anti war t-shirt she was wearing.
>>>>
>>>> Did any other news channels say this?
>>>>
>>>> Ellen Roskovich
>>>
>>>
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