[Vision2020] Islamic Extremism for Bill London
Pat Kraut
pkraut at moscow.com
Thu Feb 2 17:29:13 PST 2006
I cannot believe that they can attack a school of small children in Russia
and someone could still be blameing Bush.
Thanks for this Phil I wouldn't have bothered but you are right with this
response.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
To: <london at moscow.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:15 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] Islamic Extremism for Bill London
Latest on the Cartoon flap
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060202/ts_nm/religion_denmark_cartoons_dc_14;_ylt=Ar28jzpP_s95RvNvpWxsLopZJ_wA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
In Beirut, the leader of Lebanon's Shi'ite Hizbollah said the row would
never had occurred if a 17-year-old death edict against British writer
Salman Rushdie been carried out.
A dozen Palestinian gunmen surrounded European Union offices in the Gaza
Strip demanding an apology for the cartoons, one of which shows Islam's
founder wearing a bomb-shaped turban. Muslims consider any images of
Mohammad to be blasphemous.
Palestinian gunmen kidnapped and later released a German from a hotel in the
West Bank city of Nablus, witnesses said.
Earlier, al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades threatened at a news conference to kidnap
citizens of France, Denmark and Norway if they did not leave Nablus within
72 hours. Newspapers in Germany and Spain have also reprinted the
caricatures.
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I read this stuff and then think to myself, how can any thinking person say
that Iraq is radicalizing these guys? Heck, they are and have been this
radical for ages. They have been murdering people in the name of their
religous faith, blowing people up with car bombs and people bombs, murdering
kids in schools and condemning writers to death for decades.
Islamic terorists and jihadists murdered 250,000 people in East Timor in the
1990's. They have killed a similar quarter of a million people in Dafur
this last year. To me that's pretty freaking radical. Add in all the
deaths in insurgency for radical Islam in the Philippines that have gone on
since 1945. Iraq is small potatoes, with the major difference between it
all that this time we are involved.
Read what the 10%, the Islamic radicals are calling for. They are seeking
Islamic law in all place that Islam controlled. That has to include all of
the Balkans, Spain, Sicily and a lot of Northern Africa and most of Western
Africa. They also want special status in all countries where they have a
significant presence, including Europe and the United States. They were
seeking that kind of Pan-Islamic World Empire long before there was an Iraqi
war and they were training the generation that is blowing itself to bits
long before we arrived.
We are not increasing their numbers, they were flat out there. We had only
been lucky enough to not draw their fire prior to 2001 in any significant
way. But you are foolish if you think that they would withhold attacking
America, because to them we are the Great Satan, the very essence of what is
wrong with the world.
This is not a replay of the Cold War. These are not peasant reformers
seeking egalitarian reforms in their countries against the big bad
imperialists. Their complaint is not that we are over there, it's that we
exist, that the West is the dominate economic and social power and that our
subtle influence in movies and music and culture is an assault on their
religion and their belief in its truth.
Phil NIsbet
>From: "Bill London" <london at moscow.com>
>To: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>, <joanopyr at earthlink.net>
>CC: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Pat Kraut, area churches,and teachings about
>homosexuality
>Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:28:39 -0800
>
>P-
>Of course Islamic Extremism exists.
>Do you recognize that current US policy in Iraq has been a very effective
>recruitment program for Islamic Extremism?
>The American occupation is daily adding fuel to this bigger trans-national
>war.
>BL
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>To: <joanopyr at earthlink.net>
>Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:41 AM
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Pat Kraut, area churches,and teachings about
>homosexuality
>
>
> > Joan and Pat
> >
> > I know that that is not the case for you and Rose and several others,
>Joan,
> > but there are folks who really do attack almost anybody with a religious
> > faith, some of whom post here. Pat is sincere in her concerns.
> >
> > Pat, Joan and Rose and a number of other people who post here are not
> > whistling Dixie when they say that their problem is with the outside of
> > church actions of some groups.
> >
> > The post I made with regard to the subject was intended to ask those who
>say
> > that religion is an evil and a blight, why are they confining their
>attacks
> > to what some of them have referred to as the "Hebraic G-d"? Jews and
> > Christians are not stoning people to death any more, for all the
>grumbling
> > of some.
> >
> > Both of you are compassionate people and I find it hard to believe that
> > either of you would like to see public stoning, mutilation or any of
>that
> > sort of justice here. I know that Joan is as outraged as any with the
>kinds
> > of actions that are occurring in the pure Islamic Religious States and
>from
> > previous posts she has included that in her ire.
> >
> > I previously posted an article about a 16 year old girl who was hung by
>the
> > neck until dead at the end of a construction boom for promiscuity in
>Iran.
> > Not one of the guys who slept with her got the rope.
> >
> > I have seen very westernly dressed exchange students at Winco, come in
>one
> > day with friends and load up on beer and the next day they are into the
> > store with the little lady, who is covered from head to toe with only
>eyes
> > showing walking dutifully behind him.
> >
> > In Indonesia, Christians, Jews and Buddhists are routinely set upon by
> > crowds of fanatics and hacked to death.
> >
> > The central government in Sudan, an Islamic law nation, has murdered
>close
> > to 250,000 non-Moslems in a very planned genocide in Dafur.
> >
> > So, yes there is a culture war out there, but its not the minor skirmish
> > happening in Moscow Idaho. The extremist wing of Islam really does want
>to
> > convert the world at the edge of the sword and they feel perfectly
>justified
> > in doing so. They make the Aryan Nations look like the boy scouts and
> > unlike the weird skin head types, not many of us know enough about these
> > guys to tell them from a red, white and blue American Moslem.
> >
> > If we pulled out of Iraq tomorrow morning, we are still going to be in a
>war
> > with Islamic Extremism. We of the Western World, with our toleration
>and
> > cultural diversity and religious freedoms are anathema to these guys.
>What
> > we stand for they do not want and they also do not want us as anything
>but
> > second class citizens under their own Islamic Laws.
> >
> > Write the wrong cartoon, or book or spoof and regardless of where you
>are,
> > they can and will target you. They imposed a death sentence on a well
>known
> > film director in the Netherlands, rioted to keep a production of a play
> > against honor killings from being shown in England and just threatened
> > bombing of a Danish newspaper for the cartoon mentioned. So this is not
> > some problem in some distant corner of the world that we can seal
>ourselves
> > off from. People are being killed in the Philippines, in Thailand, in
> > Indonesia, in Sri Lanka, in Africa and in one heck of a lot of the rest
>of
> > the world so that this group can impose its beliefs on the globe.
> >
> > I guess I have to ask all of you who post here, what's more important,
>the
> > battles and quibbles we fight over at the margins here or trying to see
>that
> > Islamic Extremism does not prevail? Have any of you figured out yet
>that
> > our warring with each other simply frees these fanatics to pick us all
>off?
> >
> > Phil Nisbet
> >
> > PS This is not an indictment of the general Islamic community, because
>the
> > majority of moslems are indeed peace loving folks. The problem is that
>the
> > fanatic arms of their religion make up a block of close to 100,000,000
>who
> > are not peace loving. Appeasement ala Chamberlian in Muncih is no
>answer,
> > because just as in 1938, the real war will end up on our doorstep.
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Joan Opyr <joanopyr at earthlink.net>
> > >To: Vision2020 Moscow <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > >Subject: [Vision2020] Pat Kraut, area churches,and teachings about
> > >homosexuality
> > >Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:09:50 -0800
> > >
> > >Dear Visionaries:
> > >
> > >Pat Kraut seems to be buying into the Christ Church party line that
>they
> > >are being "targeted" for their position on homosexuality, e.g., that
>their
> > >property tax and zoning problems have something -- anything -- to do
>with
> > >the Church's homophobic agenda. This is bunkum. It's a straw man, a
>red
> > >herring, a load of old hooey. I know of no other church in town that
>has
> > >tried seven ways to Sunday to evade paying any property tax owed or has
> > >attempted to set up an educational institution where educational
> > >institutions are not allowed -- not the Lutherans, not the Mormons, not
>the
> > >Catholics, and not the real PCUSA Presbyterians. If Doug Wilson and
> > >company weren't running so damned many scams you need a set of bingo
>cards
> > >to keep up with them, no one would give a tinker's cuss about what they
> > >preach. Freedom of religion means the freedom to believe and to
>proclaim
> > >whatever ridiculous, wonderful, impossible, irrational, miraculous,
> > >Biblically-inerrant goofy thing you like. What it does not mean is
>freedom
> > >to break, bend, or twist the law. There's a difference between
>religious
> > >persecution and righteous prosecution, and Doug Wilson is down on his
>hands
> > >and knees, working like the dickens to erase that distinction. Good
>thing
> > >it's written in ink and not chalk, eh?
> > >
> > >Speaking of which, I see that one of Ralph Reed's affiliates has just
> > >gotten caught with its hands in the Faith-based Initiatives till --
>buying
> > >luxury cars for its ministers/executives with our tax dollars.
>Imagine,
> > >good Christian folk, fleecing Uncle Sam. Talk about shock and awe . .
>.
> > >
> > >Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
> > >www.joanopyr.com
> > >
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