[Vision2020] Pat Kraut, area churches, and teachingsabouthomosexuality

[J Ford]

Mr. Crabtree (whom I do not know from anyone) is apparently pulling a 
"wilsonism" - you don't like what is being said, you demand the person stop 
saying it.

On poohsthink.com, that very issue is being experienced:

"I look forward to the above promised post in which you justify the 
existence of this blog" (Ed Lang)

Since when does anyone have to "justify" a blog, an e-mail, or anything to 
these people?  As has been repeatedly pointed out, this is a democracy we 
live in and we all have the right (and duty) to speak out against what we 
may feel is a wrong being done, be it to a town, a group of people, a 
person.

I make this suggestion:  You don't like what you read - don't read anymore 
V2020 entries.  Simple, quick and may even lower the blood pressure.

BTW, Joe - good post.

J  :]




>From: joekc at adelphia.net
>To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Pat Kraut, area churches, and 
>teachingsabouthomosexuality
>Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:18:07 -0500
>
>Mr. Crabtree,
>
>Perhaps I could have been clearer but I never claimed that Wilson was evil 
>because he attempted to change Moscow’s laws about proper dress. I said 
>that this action was a public one and gave me a right to comment and 
>critique his views. Just as my attempts to keep Wal-Mart out of Moscow are 
>public actions and give you the right to critique my views. The evil, I 
>claimed, came in the form of Wilson’s deliberately offensive comments 
>toward gays and lesbians. No one has the right to be deliberately 
>offensive. (Which is why I appologized to you about my own deliberately 
>offensive, public comments directed toward you.)
>
>Also, I wish you would show some consistency. If Wilson’s comments are 
>protected under the freedoms of speech and religion, then my criticisms of 
>him are similarly covered. My comments and position are based on my own 
>religious and moral viewpoints. It amazes me that you would let a man 
>whitewash the history of American slavery under the name of ‘freedom’ 
>yet call folks who criticize him ‘intolerant.’ What an incredible 
>double standard that is.
>
>Furthermore, if Wilson’s lobbying efforts have no affect on my freedoms 
>(a point I have never denied), then my lobbying efforts have no affect on 
>your freedoms. So stop making comments to the effect that the anti-Wal-Mart 
>crowd is trying to restrict freedom. By your own words we cannot do so, it 
>is the elected officials – and ultimately the voters – who will keep 
>Super Wal-Mart out of Moscow, if in fact that happens. No one is 
>restricting anyone's freedoms here. This is how our democratic process 
>works. Again, just try to follow your own general principles and show a 
>little consistency.
>
>--
>Joe Campbell
>
>---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
>=============
>Mr. Campbell seems to forget that while Mr. Wilson was fore square in favor
>of changes to the ordinances pertaining to proper dress, he did not change
>them. For that we had seven elected officials. Mr. Wilson and his
>congregation very actively lobbied for a change in much the same way that
>others are trying to make sure our fair flower of a town won't be sullied 
>by
>a Wal-Mart superstore. Somehow this makes him "evil" and the no to WM crowd
>the chosen ones?
>
>gc
>
>
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