[Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!

Tony tonytime at clearwire.net
Tue Dec 12 08:31:53 PST 2006


Keely I am sorry if I misunderstood you.  I assumed that as a female, you 
would regret having supported a man who routinely abused other woman.

I stand corrected.

Have a nice week,        -T
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
To: <tonytime at clearwire.net>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!


>I didn't say I was wrong to support Clinton.  And stop assuming that you 
>know how I or any other woman feels about anything.
>
> keely
>
>
> From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
> To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> CC: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!
> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 07:31:10 -0800
>
> Keely, good to have you finally admit that you were wrong to support that 
> degenerate Bill Clinton.  I agree with you that his behavior was "bad" and 
> yes it was distasteful.  Yet you still voted for this abuser of woman 
> twice - even after repeated accusations of even far more serious actions 
> including rape.  As a woman, you must feel tremendous guilt over having 
> thus enabled a sexual predator who took repeated delight in terrorizing 
> your sisters.
>
> It is however never too late to repent, and I applaud you for doing so.
>
> Best,   -T
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> To: <pkraut at moscow.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 10:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!
>
>
>>Because the adult-age Lewinsky initiated the contact; the underage pages
>>didn't initiate the contact in the Foley case.
>>
>>It's shouldn't be a Democrat vs. Republican, heterosexual  or homosexual,
>>missionary-style or more exotic sexual proclivities -- it really is, 
>>however
>>distasteful, all about a horny adult man taking a seductive young woman up
>>on her most unfortunate offer of adulterous sex.  That's bad.  It's not
>>unprecedented, though, and the GOP's continuing fascination with sexual
>>behavior seems to allow it to ignore other, equally glaring, harm toward
>>people.
>>
>>Show me a GOP-led Congress taking up the battle to end the sex-driven 
>>slave
>>trade, prison rape, domestic violence, broken homes, the AIDS epidemic,
>>child sexual abuse and the sexual and social powerlessness of poor women 
>>and
>>I'll be impressed about its commitment to family values and a right-living
>>society.  Until then, I'm afraid, I'll have to conclude that the Clinton
>>impeachment was all about the Republicans' loss of power and not Monica
>>Lewinsky's loss of innocence.
>>
>>keely
>>
>>
>>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!
>>Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:50:15 -0800
>>
>>Or between a page and a congressman? If Miss Lewinski was a fair target 
>>why
>>not pages??
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: g. crabtree
>>   To: Paul Rumelhart ; vision2020 at moscow.com
>>   Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 6:19 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!
>>
>>
>>   Why is the relationship between former President Clinton and Ms. 
>> Lewinski
>>"consensual" when the tryst between a collage professor and a student is
>>not? A boss and an underling? A guard and a prisoner? I was of the
>>impression that any time there was such a huge disparity between the 
>>status
>>of two people with regard to their stations in life that the concept of
>>"consent" became at best vague and at worst unattainable. What divide 
>>could
>>be greater than the gulf between a 23 year old naif and the nearly twice 
>>her
>>age leader of the free world? I would content that the gulf between them 
>>far
>>exceeds that of the rift between a 17 year old girl and her 21 year old 
>>boy
>>friend and we all know where that lack of restraint leads. While the 
>>actual
>>acts that occurred in and near the oval office may have been technically
>>legal, there is no doubt that the concept of abuse is not out of the
>>question. What is also certain is that it was an absurdly ill considered,
>>vulgar, and characterless move on the part of someone who might reasonably
>>have been expected to know better, even by liberal democrats. I very much
>>agree with Tony in that when Ms. Lewinski looks back on this glittering
>>moment in the spotlight it won't be with pride.
>>
>>   g
>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>     From: Paul Rumelhart
>>     To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>     Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 3:25 PM
>>     Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!
>>
>>
>>     Tony,
>>
>>     You keep trying to frame this as "abuse".  It's not abuse when you 
>> have
>>consentual sex with somebody regardless of what form it may take.  I
>>understand not liking the man because he was being adulterous or sexually
>>depraved because of this, but let's not bring such emotionally-charged 
>>words
>>as "abuse" into this without some kind of evidence to back it up.
>>
>>     Paul
>>
>>     Tony wrote:
>>After that last post regarding Clinton's abuse of Monica Lewinski, It
>>occurred to me that those with little knowledge of the Clinton fiasco 
>>might
>>misunderstand my reference to his documented behaviors.  I am concerned 
>>that
>>some youngsters, unaware of the specifics of Clinton's abuse, might think 
>>I
>>was using a slang term for the male reproductive organ when I reported 
>>that
>>Clinton apparently inserted his cigar into intern Lewinski's private spot.
>>In the interest of accuracy and out of respect for today's youth and their
>>right to an accurate account of history, let me be clear:  Former 
>>President
>>Clinton was reported to have inserted a cigar, the kind he periodically
>>smoked, into the aforementioned intern.  He was also reported to have
>>received oral sex while discussing sensitive national security issues with
>>congressman via phone.
>>
>>Boys and girls, the left does not want you to learn what a depraved creep
>>Clinton was.  They adore him because he pushed for their political issues
>>and causes so they deliberately ignored his abuse of woman.  Said abuse 
>>also
>>included several accusations or RAPE.  I support the right of today's 
>>youth
>>to be informed rather than manipulated, so the next time you hear about 
>>what
>>a great guy ole Clinton was, you can refer to this message for the truth.
>>
>>Just hit print and thank me later.
>>
>>Peace out,    -T
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>>To: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
>>Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 11:26 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!
>>
>>
>>   Just as there will always be those who insisted on abandoning the South
>>Vietnamese and Cambodians to communist tyranny, there will always be those
>>who deny the written historical record regarding our liberation of Iraq.
>>
>>Clinton, a clinical, megalomaniacal psychopath, hasn't a sincere bone in
>>his
>>body and would only consider the views of a minister in a short skirt.
>>Bush
>>rallied the American patriots with his Patton-esque "bring them on."  It
>>was
>>a great piece of leadership, reminiscent of Churchill.  Bush is every bit
>>as
>>intelligent and astute as some socially isolated, outcast egghead on the
>>Palouse.
>>
>>The difference between President Bush and clinton is that Bush would have
>>told Monica to pull her skirt back up and act like a lady.  Clinton, the
>>juvinile left's beloved icon, humiliated her for LIFE when he inserted his
>>cigar in her vagina and after otherwise violating his trust, then DENIED
>>his
>>responsibility before her and the American People.  Clinton was and will
>>always be a sick male of BAD CHARACTER, undeserving of respect even from
>>those willing to enable his abuse of woman in order to realize their own
>>selfish political goals.
>>
>>"In America, anybody can be a college professor.  It's one of the risks
>>you
>>take."       -T
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
>>To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>>Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:31 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner Swarmed in Hanoi
>>
>>
>>     Greetings:
>>
>>Just as there will always be those who say that the Johnson did not lie
>>and deceive (Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, one specific), there will always
>>be those who will always say that the Bush administration did not
>>misrepresent and deceive about Iraq, even when the facts are clear that
>>it
>>did.
>>
>>Clinton admitted that he had made a mistake and sought forgiveness and
>>repentence with his minister.  Bush only regrets that he said "bring them
>>on," but nothing else.  He said that it was not a very sophisticated
>>thing
>>to say, but when has this simpleton ever said anything of substance?
>>
>>This is the great moral difference between these two men, and that is why
>>Clinton is admired around the world. and in two years Bush will not dare
>>appear in a completely public forum in any capital in the world. Crawford
>>will be a nice refuge for him, and many will say "good riddance," an
>>immature and ill informed man who became president because of his name.
>>
>>World opinion is a powerful force and it will take decades for us to
>>rebuild our reputation and credibility in the world.
>>
>>Nick Gier
>>
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