[Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!
Tony
tonytime at clearwire.net
Mon Dec 11 08:08:44 PST 2006
Tom, I explained skillfully why what Clinton did to so many woman was abuse. Gary then elaborated in greater detail even more brilliantly. You still insist on defending President Bubba. It is said that a real man is able to admit when he was wrong. You were wrong to support a sexual predator as the leader of the free world. Be a man and admit you screwed up.
Have a joyous week, -T
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From: Tom Hansen
To: 'Pat Kraut' ; 'vision2020'
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!
You really don't get it, do you, gc and pk?
Monica Lewinsky is, and was at the time of her relationship with Bill Clinton, an adult. The UNDER AGE pages were not. The sexual relationships between Foley and his page(s) were criminal. The sexual relationship between Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky was not criminal.
Perhaps you can have Steve Sitler explain this to you.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a ride!'"
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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Pat Kraut
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 9:50 PM
To: vision2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!
Or between a page and a congressman? If Miss Lewinski was a fair target why not pages??
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From: g. crabtree
To: Paul Rumelhart ; vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!
Why is the relationship between former President Clinton and Ms. Lewinski "consensual" when the tryst between a collage professor and a student is not? A boss and an underling? A guard and a prisoner? I was of the impression that any time there was such a huge disparity between the status of two people with regard to their stations in life that the concept of "consent" became at best vague and at worst unattainable. What divide could be greater than the gulf between a 23 year old naif and the nearly twice her age leader of the free world? I would content that the gulf between them far exceeds that of the rift between a 17 year old girl and her 21 year old boy friend and we all know where that lack of restraint leads. While the actual acts that occurred in and near the oval office may have been technically legal, there is no doubt that the concept of abuse is not out of the question. What is also certain is that it was an absurdly ill considered, vulgar, and characterless move on the part of someone who might reasonably have been expected to know better, even by liberal democrats. I very much agree with Tony in that when Ms. Lewinski looks back on this glittering moment in the spotlight it won't be with pride.
g
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From: Paul Rumelhart
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!
Tony,
You keep trying to frame this as "abuse". It's not abuse when you have consentual sex with somebody regardless of what form it may take. I understand not liking the man because he was being adulterous or sexually depraved because of this, but let's not bring such emotionally-charged words as "abuse" into this without some kind of evidence to back it up.
Paul
Tony wrote:
After that last post regarding Clinton's abuse of Monica Lewinski, It occurred to me that those with little knowledge of the Clinton fiasco might misunderstand my reference to his documented behaviors. I am concerned that some youngsters, unaware of the specifics of Clinton's abuse, might think I was using a slang term for the male reproductive organ when I reported that Clinton apparently inserted his cigar into intern Lewinski's private spot. In the interest of accuracy and out of respect for today's youth and their right to an accurate account of history, let me be clear: Former President Clinton was reported to have inserted a cigar, the kind he periodically smoked, into the aforementioned intern. He was also reported to have received oral sex while discussing sensitive national security issues with congressman via phone. Boys and girls, the left does not want you to learn what a depraved creep Clinton was. They adore him because he pushed for their political issues and causes so they deliberately ignored his abuse of woman. Said abuse also included several accusations or RAPE. I support the right of today's youth to be informed rather than manipulated, so the next time you hear about what a great guy ole Clinton was, you can refer to this message for the truth. Just hit print and thank me later. Peace out, -T----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>To: <nickgier at adelphia.net>Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 11:26 AMSubject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass! Just as there will always be those who insisted on abandoning the SouthVietnamese and Cambodians to communist tyranny, there will always be thosewho deny the written historical record regarding our liberation of Iraq. Clinton, a clinical, megalomaniacal psychopath, hasn't a sincere bone in hisbody and would only consider the views of a minister in a short skirt. Bushrallied the American patriots with his Patton-esque "bring them on." It wasa great piece of leadership, reminiscent of Churchill. Bush is every bit asintelligent and astute as some socially isolated, outcast egghead on thePalouse. The difference between President Bush and clinton is that Bush would havetold Monica to pull her skirt back up and act like a lady. Clinton, thejuvinile left's beloved icon, humiliated her for LIFE when he inserted hiscigar in her vagina and after otherwise violating his trust, then DENIED hisresponsibility before her and the American People. Clinton was and willalways be a sick male of BAD CHARACTER, undeserving of respect even fromthose willing to enable his abuse of woman in order to realize their ownselfish political goals. "In America, anybody can be a college professor. It's one of the risks youtake." -T----- Original Message ----- From: <nickgier at adelphia.net>To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:31 AMSubject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner Swarmed in Hanoi Greetings: Just as there will always be those who say that the Johnson did not lieand deceive (Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, one specific), there will alwaysbe those who will always say that the Bush administration did notmisrepresent and deceive about Iraq, even when the facts are clear that itdid. Clinton admitted that he had made a mistake and sought forgiveness andrepentence with his minister. Bush only regrets that he said "bring themon," but nothing else. He said that it was not a very sophisticated thingto say, but when has this simpleton ever said anything of substance? This is the great moral difference between these two men, and that is whyClinton is admired around the world. and in two years Bush will not dareappear in a completely public forum in any capital in the world. Crawfordwill be a nice refuge for him, and many will say "good riddance," animmature and ill informed man who became president because of his name. World opinion is a powerful force and it will take decades for us torebuild our reputation and credibility in the world. Nick Gier =======================================================List services made available by First Step Internet,serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. http://www.fsr.net mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com======================================================= =======================================================List services made available by First Step Internet,serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. http://www.fsr.net mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com======================================================= ======================================================= List services made available by First Step Internet, serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. http://www.fsr.net mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com=======================================================
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