[Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!
Tony
tonytime at clearwire.net
Mon Dec 11 07:31:10 PST 2006
Keely, good to have you finally admit that you were wrong to support that
degenerate Bill Clinton. I agree with you that his behavior was "bad" and
yes it was distasteful. Yet you still voted for this abuser of woman
twice - even after repeated accusations of even far more serious actions
including rape. As a woman, you must feel tremendous guilt over having thus
enabled a sexual predator who took repeated delight in terrorizing your
sisters.
It is however never too late to repent, and I applaud you for doing so.
Best, -T
----- Original Message -----
From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
To: <pkraut at moscow.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!
> Because the adult-age Lewinsky initiated the contact; the underage pages
> didn't initiate the contact in the Foley case.
>
> It's shouldn't be a Democrat vs. Republican, heterosexual or homosexual,
> missionary-style or more exotic sexual proclivities -- it really is,
> however
> distasteful, all about a horny adult man taking a seductive young woman up
> on her most unfortunate offer of adulterous sex. That's bad. It's not
> unprecedented, though, and the GOP's continuing fascination with sexual
> behavior seems to allow it to ignore other, equally glaring, harm toward
> people.
>
> Show me a GOP-led Congress taking up the battle to end the sex-driven
> slave
> trade, prison rape, domestic violence, broken homes, the AIDS epidemic,
> child sexual abuse and the sexual and social powerlessness of poor women
> and
> I'll be impressed about its commitment to family values and a right-living
> society. Until then, I'm afraid, I'll have to conclude that the Clinton
> impeachment was all about the Republicans' loss of power and not Monica
> Lewinsky's loss of innocence.
>
> keely
>
>
> From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
> To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!
> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:50:15 -0800
>
> Or between a page and a congressman? If Miss Lewinski was a fair target
> why
> not pages??
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: g. crabtree
> To: Paul Rumelhart ; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 6:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!
>
>
> Why is the relationship between former President Clinton and Ms.
> Lewinski
> "consensual" when the tryst between a collage professor and a student is
> not? A boss and an underling? A guard and a prisoner? I was of the
> impression that any time there was such a huge disparity between the
> status
> of two people with regard to their stations in life that the concept of
> "consent" became at best vague and at worst unattainable. What divide
> could
> be greater than the gulf between a 23 year old naif and the nearly twice
> her
> age leader of the free world? I would content that the gulf between them
> far
> exceeds that of the rift between a 17 year old girl and her 21 year old
> boy
> friend and we all know where that lack of restraint leads. While the
> actual
> acts that occurred in and near the oval office may have been technically
> legal, there is no doubt that the concept of abuse is not out of the
> question. What is also certain is that it was an absurdly ill considered,
> vulgar, and characterless move on the part of someone who might reasonably
> have been expected to know better, even by liberal democrats. I very much
> agree with Tony in that when Ms. Lewinski looks back on this glittering
> moment in the spotlight it won't be with pride.
>
> g
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Rumelhart
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 3:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!
>
>
> Tony,
>
> You keep trying to frame this as "abuse". It's not abuse when you
> have
> consentual sex with somebody regardless of what form it may take. I
> understand not liking the man because he was being adulterous or sexually
> depraved because of this, but let's not bring such emotionally-charged
> words
> as "abuse" into this without some kind of evidence to back it up.
>
> Paul
>
> Tony wrote:
> After that last post regarding Clinton's abuse of Monica Lewinski, It
> occurred to me that those with little knowledge of the Clinton fiasco
> might
> misunderstand my reference to his documented behaviors. I am concerned
> that
> some youngsters, unaware of the specifics of Clinton's abuse, might think
> I
> was using a slang term for the male reproductive organ when I reported
> that
> Clinton apparently inserted his cigar into intern Lewinski's private spot.
> In the interest of accuracy and out of respect for today's youth and their
> right to an accurate account of history, let me be clear: Former
> President
> Clinton was reported to have inserted a cigar, the kind he periodically
> smoked, into the aforementioned intern. He was also reported to have
> received oral sex while discussing sensitive national security issues with
> congressman via phone.
>
> Boys and girls, the left does not want you to learn what a depraved creep
> Clinton was. They adore him because he pushed for their political issues
> and causes so they deliberately ignored his abuse of woman. Said abuse
> also
> included several accusations or RAPE. I support the right of today's
> youth
> to be informed rather than manipulated, so the next time you hear about
> what
> a great guy ole Clinton was, you can refer to this message for the truth.
>
> Just hit print and thank me later.
>
> Peace out, -T
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
> To: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 11:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!
>
>
> Just as there will always be those who insisted on abandoning the South
> Vietnamese and Cambodians to communist tyranny, there will always be those
> who deny the written historical record regarding our liberation of Iraq.
>
> Clinton, a clinical, megalomaniacal psychopath, hasn't a sincere bone in
> his
> body and would only consider the views of a minister in a short skirt.
> Bush
> rallied the American patriots with his Patton-esque "bring them on." It
> was
> a great piece of leadership, reminiscent of Churchill. Bush is every bit
> as
> intelligent and astute as some socially isolated, outcast egghead on the
> Palouse.
>
> The difference between President Bush and clinton is that Bush would have
> told Monica to pull her skirt back up and act like a lady. Clinton, the
> juvinile left's beloved icon, humiliated her for LIFE when he inserted his
> cigar in her vagina and after otherwise violating his trust, then DENIED
> his
> responsibility before her and the American People. Clinton was and will
> always be a sick male of BAD CHARACTER, undeserving of respect even from
> those willing to enable his abuse of woman in order to realize their own
> selfish political goals.
>
> "In America, anybody can be a college professor. It's one of the risks
> you
> take." -T
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
> To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner Swarmed in Hanoi
>
>
> Greetings:
>
> Just as there will always be those who say that the Johnson did not lie
> and deceive (Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, one specific), there will always
> be those who will always say that the Bush administration did not
> misrepresent and deceive about Iraq, even when the facts are clear that
> it
> did.
>
> Clinton admitted that he had made a mistake and sought forgiveness and
> repentence with his minister. Bush only regrets that he said "bring them
> on," but nothing else. He said that it was not a very sophisticated
> thing
> to say, but when has this simpleton ever said anything of substance?
>
> This is the great moral difference between these two men, and that is why
> Clinton is admired around the world. and in two years Bush will not dare
> appear in a completely public forum in any capital in the world. Crawford
> will be a nice refuge for him, and many will say "good riddance," an
> immature and ill informed man who became president because of his name.
>
> World opinion is a powerful force and it will take decades for us to
> rebuild our reputation and credibility in the world.
>
> Nick Gier
>
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