[Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!

Sun Dec 10 22:02:30 PST 2006

Because the adult-age Lewinsky initiated the contact; the underage pages 
didn't initiate the contact in the Foley case.

It's shouldn't be a Democrat vs. Republican, heterosexual  or homosexual, 
missionary-style or more exotic sexual proclivities -- it really is, however 
distasteful, all about a horny adult man taking a seductive young woman up 
on her most unfortunate offer of adulterous sex.  That's bad.  It's not 
unprecedented, though, and the GOP's continuing fascination with sexual 
behavior seems to allow it to ignore other, equally glaring, harm toward 
people.

Show me a GOP-led Congress taking up the battle to end the sex-driven slave 
trade, prison rape, domestic violence, broken homes, the AIDS epidemic, 
child sexual abuse and the sexual and social powerlessness of poor women and 
I'll be impressed about its commitment to family values and a right-living 
society.  Until then, I'm afraid, I'll have to conclude that the Clinton 
impeachment was all about the Republicans' loss of power and not Monica 
Lewinsky's loss of innocence.

keely

From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:50:15 -0800

Or between a page and a congressman? If Miss Lewinski was a fair target why 
not pages??
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: g. crabtree
   To: Paul Rumelhart ; vision2020 at moscow.com
   Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 6:19 PM
   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!

   Why is the relationship between former President Clinton and Ms. Lewinski 
"consensual" when the tryst between a collage professor and a student is 
not? A boss and an underling? A guard and a prisoner? I was of the 
impression that any time there was such a huge disparity between the status 
of two people with regard to their stations in life that the concept of 
"consent" became at best vague and at worst unattainable. What divide could 
be greater than the gulf between a 23 year old naif and the nearly twice her 
age leader of the free world? I would content that the gulf between them far 
exceeds that of the rift between a 17 year old girl and her 21 year old boy 
friend and we all know where that lack of restraint leads. While the actual 
acts that occurred in and near the oval office may have been technically 
legal, there is no doubt that the concept of abuse is not out of the 
question. What is also certain is that it was an absurdly ill considered, 
vulgar, and characterless move on the part of someone who might reasonably 
have been expected to know better, even by liberal democrats. I very much 
agree with Tony in that when Ms. Lewinski looks back on this glittering 
moment in the spotlight it won't be with pride.

   g
     ----- Original Message -----
     From: Paul Rumelhart
     To: vision2020 at moscow.com
     Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 3:25 PM
     Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!

     Tony,

     You keep trying to frame this as "abuse".  It's not abuse when you have 
consentual sex with somebody regardless of what form it may take.  I 
understand not liking the man because he was being adulterous or sexually 
depraved because of this, but let's not bring such emotionally-charged words 
as "abuse" into this without some kind of evidence to back it up.

     Paul

     Tony wrote:
After that last post regarding Clinton's abuse of Monica Lewinski, It
occurred to me that those with little knowledge of the Clinton fiasco might
misunderstand my reference to his documented behaviors.  I am concerned that
some youngsters, unaware of the specifics of Clinton's abuse, might think I
was using a slang term for the male reproductive organ when I reported that
Clinton apparently inserted his cigar into intern Lewinski's private spot.
In the interest of accuracy and out of respect for today's youth and their
right to an accurate account of history, let me be clear:  Former President
Clinton was reported to have inserted a cigar, the kind he periodically
smoked, into the aforementioned intern.  He was also reported to have
received oral sex while discussing sensitive national security issues with
congressman via phone.

Boys and girls, the left does not want you to learn what a depraved creep
Clinton was.  They adore him because he pushed for their political issues
and causes so they deliberately ignored his abuse of woman.  Said abuse also
included several accusations or RAPE.  I support the right of today's youth
to be informed rather than manipulated, so the next time you hear about what
a great guy ole Clinton was, you can refer to this message for the truth.

Just hit print and thank me later.

Peace out,    -T
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
To: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!

   Just as there will always be those who insisted on abandoning the South
Vietnamese and Cambodians to communist tyranny, there will always be those
who deny the written historical record regarding our liberation of Iraq.

Clinton, a clinical, megalomaniacal psychopath, hasn't a sincere bone in
his
body and would only consider the views of a minister in a short skirt.
Bush
rallied the American patriots with his Patton-esque "bring them on."  It
was
a great piece of leadership, reminiscent of Churchill.  Bush is every bit
as
intelligent and astute as some socially isolated, outcast egghead on the
Palouse.

The difference between President Bush and clinton is that Bush would have
told Monica to pull her skirt back up and act like a lady.  Clinton, the
juvinile left's beloved icon, humiliated her for LIFE when he inserted his
cigar in her vagina and after otherwise violating his trust, then DENIED
his
responsibility before her and the American People.  Clinton was and will
always be a sick male of BAD CHARACTER, undeserving of respect even from
those willing to enable his abuse of woman in order to realize their own
selfish political goals.

"In America, anybody can be a college professor.  It's one of the risks
you
take."       -T
----- Original Message -----
From: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner Swarmed in Hanoi

     Greetings:

Just as there will always be those who say that the Johnson did not lie
and deceive (Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, one specific), there will always
be those who will always say that the Bush administration did not
misrepresent and deceive about Iraq, even when the facts are clear that
it
did.

Clinton admitted that he had made a mistake and sought forgiveness and
repentence with his minister.  Bush only regrets that he said "bring them
on," but nothing else.  He said that it was not a very sophisticated
thing
to say, but when has this simpleton ever said anything of substance?

This is the great moral difference between these two men, and that is why
Clinton is admired around the world. and in two years Bush will not dare
appear in a completely public forum in any capital in the world. Crawford
will be a nice refuge for him, and many will say "good riddance," an
immature and ill informed man who became president because of his name.

World opinion is a powerful force and it will take decades for us to
rebuild our reputation and credibility in the world.

Nick Gier

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