[Vision2020] Getting a.....
Pennsylvania Place
penn_place_boise at yahoo.com
Thu Aug 31 14:05:45 PDT 2006
Melissa -
I apologize for maligning your fine establishment. But can you explain the horrible blacked-out windows? The atrocious red & white paint on a beautiful old brick building?
Mingles is a bar in a similar type of building, and yet you can look in the windows and see people drinking, smoking, and shooting pool. Why the secrecy at the Beach?
I have no problem with drag shows or cowboy night or hip-hop night or whatever else goes on there.
However, I fail to see how Wet T-Shirt Contests and the embrace of misogynist hip-hop culture prevents it from being a "sleaze joint." It attracts people who look at women as objects, and I don't think that's a good thing for Moscow, nor does it fit our sense of community. Especially on a prominent corner in downtown.
I admit that I have never been in "The Beach," however, I was there when it was Xenon (you're probably too young to remember that) and it was a sleazy place then, too. I really think that having an absentee landlord of a big, beautiful building downtown is just a tragedy... that building could be so lovingly used for a better function.
I guess my biggest problem is that it's a hole in downtown... the place doesn't even open until what, 8 pm? 9 pm? So most of the day it's sitting there with its black windows staring out onto Main Street, smelling like piss with day-glo paper fliers advertising "Doggie Style" with a prominent photo of a sexy woman's g-stringed booty shoved in my face.
I just don't get it.
Penny
Melissa Hendrickson <hend5953 at uidaho.edu> wrote:
As a regular performer and a former bouncer at the Beach, I can say
that the Beach is not a "Sleeze joint." While owner may not take
great care in the building and lives outside of the area, the managers
try to create a safe and welcoming place for all people with the
limited resources they are given.
The Beach is often put down in the public view because of some of the
events the owner brings when he is town, but if you look at the
billboard when he is not in town the events are pretty standard for a
night club, ie, benefits for the Humane Society and Palouse Pride,
Drag Shows, Comedy night, teen night and country night. The managers
have established a policy of no hate speech in the club, which extends
to all nights and whoever is having a party. It is not tolerated and
those individuals are asked to leave.
Also, as for the accusation of the Beach being a "Date Rape" bar, as a
staff we were vigilant in telling people to protect their drinks. The
club staff will kick people out if they are caught engaging in overly
sexual behavior in the club.
The Beach provides a SAFE atmosphere for all people, 18 and over.
Maybe you should go to the club before bagging on it in a public
forum.
Mo
----- Original Message -----
From: Pennsylvania Place
Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:30 pm
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Getting a.....
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> As I well know? Actually, I don't know anything of the sort. I
> remember several years ago reading that the owner of the Beach was
> an absentee landlord who ran a similar sleeze joint in Las Vagas -
> does anyone here know anything beyond that?
>
> While we're talking about improving Moscow - does anyone know
> when or if the city plans on paving the bike path between 6th
> Street along Paradise Creek to Main St/Hwy 95 at Sweet Avenue? Not
> everyone in this town rides a mountain bike...and if the Powers
> that Be ever visited a place like Boise, Seattle or Portland they
> might see how popular multi-use paths are with the young folks
> these days. I'd much rather see my tax dollars go to paving all
> the underused railroads of the Palouse for bike paths than for
> expanding Hwy 95 or Hwy 27...
>
> Penny of the Skinny Tyre
>
> J Ford > Ask Dougie....he's looked at it several times, as you well know.
>
>
>
> J :]
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Pennsylvania Place
>
> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Getting a.....
> >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:05:14 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Yes, my remarks were misinterpreted. As I told Keely, I should
> have
> >remained a lurker, but I would like to explain myself.
> >
> > I have lived in Moscow off and on since 1991, and I think that
> the
> >Kirker element has helped class up downtown Moscow, despite the
> obvious
> >negative aspects of their residence here.
> >
> > My use of the term "trailer trash" was unfortunate. All I really
> meant
> >was that I feel the Kirkers have awoken the complacent liberal
> folk of
> >Moscow. Could we have stopped Super Wal-Mart 10 years ago? Would
> One World
> >exist if Bucer's hadn't come first? Etc...
> >
> > I'd rather see the bigots set up shop downtown and only do
> business
> >among themselves than have empty storefronts like Colfax, or pawn
> shops, or
> >(god forbid) date rape palaces like The Beach.
> >
> > While we're on the subject, how did a wonderful place like
> David's
> >devolve from Xenon to The Beach? Can the Kirkers buy that, too?
> Can we get
> >that corner turned into a legitimate business instead of a black-
> windowed
> >creep alley?
> >
> > Penny
> >
> >donald huskey wrote:
> > Hello Penny,
> > Welcome to Vision 2020.
> > I am concerned about your message which declares that the
> ?Kirker/NSA
> >element bringing class to Moscow? versus the ?trailer trash,?
> (who
> >apparently don?t). Perhaps I didn?t understand the point you were
> trying
> >to make. It seems to me that you were indicating that appearance
> is more
> >important than substance. It has been a long time (thankfully)
> since I
> >have heard any mature adult equate housing or bank account
> balances with
> >human worth. Am I misinterpreting your remarks?
> > Rose Huskey
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-
> bounces at moscow.com]
> >On Behalf Of Pennsylvania Place
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 2:50 PM
> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Getting a.....
> >
> > You know, I understand why people have problems with Kirkers and
> NSA
> >folks... I myself have dealt with a young elitist married couple
> that could
> >not have been more insincere and fake to me and my family dispite
> our
> >efforts to be neighborly.
> >
> >
> >
> > That said - I really *do* admire how the Kirker/NSA element is
> helping
> >to class up Moscow. I do not patronize their businesses, but it
> is nice to
> >have clean, sharp stores and restaurants on Main Street. Not
> everyone in
> >this town - even young adults - want to shop at the stupid mall
> or college
> >student holes like the Pita Pit or Papa Johns.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'll take elitist snobs over Latah County trailer trash any day
> of the
> >week, even if they are bigots. At least their stores are nice.
> They have
> >good
> >
> >
> >Penny
> >
> > David wrote: Ooooohhhhh, creepy again. BTW JFord, did you get a
> good,
> >comprehensive list
> >of everyone who's been to West of Paris?
> >
> >
> > >From: "J Ford"
> >
> > >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: [Vision2020] Getting a.....
> > >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:29:31 -0700
> > >
> > >A. You, Doug F, do NOT have a license to do construction work,
> electrical> >work, engineering work...basically you have a license
> to drive and I
> > >seriously question the wisdom of providing you that.
> > >
> > >B. You are listed as having a "legit" business which the Moscow
> Chamber
> >of
> > >Commerce says they "highly recommend" and are "proud to (have)
> as a
> >member
> > >of the Moscow Chamber of Commerce" because you provide "quality
> services> >and products." The State of Idaho thought that was
> interesting since you
> > >licenses expired in 2005 and they have NO new application for
> you on file
> >-
> > >ever.
> > >
> > >C. Your contracting license (20186) expired on 7-31-2005 and your
> > >Journeyman's license (19675) expired on 31 Aug 2005. So you
> saying you
> > >have done "demolition work for Mike Hoffman" and you doing any
> kind of
> > >electrical work and having your picture on web sites SHOWING
> you doing
> >any
> > >kind of electrical work is just wrong. As is having your name
> listed in
> > >the Chamber of Commerce's MOST recent listing of businesses and
> your name
> > >being WILLINGLY listed on a permit for electrical work on Mike
> Hoffman's> >yet to be purchased building on Main street is just
wrong.
> > >
> > >See: http://www.tomandrodna.com/Stuff/213_Main_Elec_App.htm and
> > >http://www.moscowchamber.com/Pages/ChamberMembers.asp?Letter=H
> > >
> > >So maybe your "getting a life" is the wrong thing to
> say....mayhap people
> > >should be saying "get a lawyer". For someone that espouses to
> be
> >Christian
> > >and a follower of Christ's to be doing such obviously illegal
> things
> >should
> > >be seeking the advice of a pastor. Too bad your church doesnae
> have one
> > >you could turn to in such times.
> > >
> > >Oh, and if you think Paul Kimmell taking your name down off the
> MCC web
> > >site is going to help your case - it won't. Just like having
> your picture
> > >taken off the other web site didnae help you...copies are
> easily made.
> > >Just like your e-mails where you "confess" to be doing this
> type of work.
> > >
> > >
> > >J :]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: "Tom Hansen"
> > >>To: , , ,
> > >>
> > >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] an apology
> > >>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:03:25 -0700
> > >>
> > >>Good, NC -
> > >>
> > >>Glad to hear you have a life. Be gentle with it, though. Or else,
> > >>"Comb-Over" will want it back.
> > >>
> > >>Tommy Hansen
> > >>Moscow, Idaho
> > >>
> > >>"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention
> of
> >arriving
> > >>safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to
> skid in
> > >>sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body
> thoroughly> >>used
> > >>up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a ride!'"
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> >[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> > >>On Behalf Of heirdoug at netscape.net
> > >>Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:14 AM
> > >>To: idahotom at hotmail.com; heirdoug at netscape.net;
kjajmix1 at msn.com;
> > >>vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] an apology
> > >>
> > >>Tommy,
> > >>
> > >>I got one! I also have a life!
> > >>
> > >>Doug!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: idahotom at hotmail.com
> > >>To: heirdoug at netscape.net; kjajmix1 at msn.com;
vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >>Sent: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 5:46 AM
> > >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] an apology
> > >>
> > >>Lemon-O "No Clue" Farris -
> > >>
> > >>You really ought to get a day job.
> > >>
> > >>Now, off with you to the sand box. Your buddies , Arnold and dick
> > >>Sherwin, await you. You boys can play "Show and Tell" or you
could
> > >>discuss knocking "heads" off while you extend something. You
> know. We
> > >>really should put that "Adults Only" sign back up.
> > >>
> > >>Question, though, NC - Exactly what do you do at Heirloom
> Electric?> >>Nothing that requires a license I hope?
> > >>
> > >>Tom Hansen Moscow, Idaho
> > >>
> > >> >From: heirdoug at netscape.net >To: kjajmix1 at msn.com,
> >vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] an apology >Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006
> 23:31:16> >>-0400 > >Keely, > >I do have one question with regard
> to the apology you
> > >>are giving to
> > >>all >of the fine folks here. > >Am I supposed to extend
> forgiveness to
> >you
> > >>for biting my head off or >for you getting caught biting my
> head off or
> > >>for you biting my head
> > >>off >without cause knowing that there may be a cause later on?
> Let me
> >know
> > >> >and I will gladly extend it. > >Doug!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>
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