<div>Melissa - </div> <div> </div> <div>I apologize for maligning your fine establishment. But can you explain the horrible blacked-out windows? The atrocious red & white paint on a beautiful old brick building? </div> <div> </div> <div>Mingles is a bar in a similar type of building, and yet you can look in the windows and see people drinking, smoking, and shooting pool. Why the secrecy at the Beach?</div> <div> </div> <div>I have no problem with drag shows or cowboy night or hip-hop night or whatever else goes on there.</div> <div> </div> <div>However, I fail to see how Wet T-Shirt Contests and the embrace of misogynist hip-hop culture prevents it from being a "sleaze joint." It attracts people who look at women as objects, and I don't think that's a good thing for Moscow, nor does it fit our sense of community. Especially on a prominent corner in downtown.</div> <div> </div> <div>I admit that I have never been in "The Beach,"
however, I was there when it was Xenon (you're probably too young to remember that) and it was a sleazy place then, too. I really think that having an absentee landlord of a big, beautiful building downtown is just a tragedy... that building could be so lovingly used for a better function.<BR></div> <div>I guess my biggest problem is that it's a hole in downtown... the place doesn't even open until what, 8 pm? 9 pm? So most of the day it's sitting there with its black windows staring out onto Main Street, smelling like piss with day-glo paper fliers advertising "Doggie Style" with a prominent photo of a sexy woman's g-stringed booty shoved in my face.</div> <div> </div> <div>I just don't get it.</div> <div>Penny</div> <div><BR><B><I>Melissa Hendrickson <hend5953@uidaho.edu></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">As a regular performer and a former bouncer at the Beach, I can
say <BR>that the Beach is not a "Sleeze joint." While owner may not take <BR>great care in the building and lives outside of the area, the managers <BR>try to create a safe and welcoming place for all people with the <BR>limited resources they are given. <BR><BR>The Beach is often put down in the public view because of some of the <BR>events the owner brings when he is town, but if you look at the <BR>billboard when he is not in town the events are pretty standard for a <BR>night club, ie, benefits for the Humane Society and Palouse Pride, <BR>Drag Shows, Comedy night, teen night and country night. The managers <BR>have established a policy of no hate speech in the club, which extends <BR>to all nights and whoever is having a party. It is not tolerated and <BR>those individuals are asked to leave. <BR><BR>Also, as for the accusation of the Beach being a "Date Rape" bar, as a <BR>staff we were vigilant in telling people to protect their drinks. The <BR>club staff will kick
people out if they are caught engaging in overly <BR>sexual behavior in the club. <BR><BR>The Beach provides a SAFE atmosphere for all people, 18 and over. <BR>Maybe you should go to the club before bagging on it in a public <BR>forum. <BR><BR>Mo<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: Pennsylvania Place <PENN_PLACE_BOISE@YAHOO.COM><BR>Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:30 pm<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Getting a.....<BR>To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR><BR>> As I well know? Actually, I don't know anything of the sort. I <BR>> remember several years ago reading that the owner of the Beach was <BR>> an absentee landlord who ran a similar sleeze joint in Las Vagas - <BR>> does anyone here know anything beyond that?<BR>> <BR>> While we're talking about improving Moscow - does anyone know <BR>> when or if the city plans on paving the bike path between 6th <BR>> Street along Paradise Creek to Main St/Hwy 95 at Sweet Avenue? Not <BR>> everyone in
this town rides a mountain bike...and if the Powers <BR>> that Be ever visited a place like Boise, Seattle or Portland they <BR>> might see how popular multi-use paths are with the young folks <BR>> these days. I'd much rather see my tax dollars go to paving all <BR>> the underused railroads of the Palouse for bike paths than for <BR>> expanding Hwy 95 or Hwy 27...<BR>> <BR>> Penny of the Skinny Tyre<BR>> <BR>> J Ford <wrote:<br>> Ask Dougie....he's looked at it several times, as you well know.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> J :]<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> >From: Pennsylvania Place <BR>> <BR>> >To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Getting a.....<BR>> >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:05:14 -0700 (PDT)<BR>> ><BR>> >Yes, my remarks were misinterpreted. As I told Keely, I should <BR>> have <BR>> >remained a lurker, but I would like to explain myself.<BR>>
><BR>> > I have lived in Moscow off and on since 1991, and I think that <BR>> the <BR>> >Kirker element has helped class up downtown Moscow, despite the <BR>> obvious <BR>> >negative aspects of their residence here.<BR>> ><BR>> > My use of the term "trailer trash" was unfortunate. All I really <BR>> meant <BR>> >was that I feel the Kirkers have awoken the complacent liberal <BR>> folk of <BR>> >Moscow. Could we have stopped Super Wal-Mart 10 years ago? Would <BR>> One World <BR>> >exist if Bucer's hadn't come first? Etc...<BR>> ><BR>> > I'd rather see the bigots set up shop downtown and only do <BR>> business <BR>> >among themselves than have empty storefronts like Colfax, or pawn <BR>> shops, or <BR>> >(god forbid) date rape palaces like The Beach.<BR>> ><BR>> > While we're on the subject, how did a wonderful place like <BR>> David's <BR>> >devolve from
Xenon to The Beach? Can the Kirkers buy that, too? <BR>> Can we get <BR>> >that corner turned into a legitimate business instead of a black-<BR>> windowed <BR>> >creep alley?<BR>> ><BR>> > Penny<BR>> ><BR>> >donald huskey wrote:<BR>> > Hello Penny,<BR>> > Welcome to Vision 2020.<BR>> > I am concerned about your message which declares that the <BR>> ?Kirker/NSA <BR>> >element bringing class to Moscow? versus the ?trailer trash,? <BR>> (who <BR>> >apparently don?t). Perhaps I didn?t understand the point you were <BR>> trying <BR>> >to make. It seems to me that you were indicating that appearance <BR>> is more <BR>> >important than substance. It has been a long time (thankfully) <BR>> since I <BR>> >have heard any mature adult equate housing or bank account <BR>> balances with <BR>> >human worth. Am I misinterpreting your remarks?<BR>> > Rose Huskey<BR>>
><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > -----Original Message-----<BR>> >From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-<BR>> bounces@moscow.com] <BR>> >On Behalf Of Pennsylvania Place<BR>> >Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 2:50 PM<BR>> >To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Getting a.....<BR>> ><BR>> > You know, I understand why people have problems with Kirkers and <BR>> NSA <BR>> >folks... I myself have dealt with a young elitist married couple <BR>> that could <BR>> >not have been more insincere and fake to me and my family dispite <BR>> our <BR>> >efforts to be neighborly.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > That said - I really *do* admire how the Kirker/NSA element is <BR>> helping <BR>> >to class up Moscow. I do not patronize their businesses, but it <BR>> is nice to <BR>> >have clean, sharp stores and restaurants on Main Street.
Not <BR>> everyone in <BR>> >this town - even young adults - want to shop at the stupid mall <BR>> or college <BR>> >student holes like the Pita Pit or Papa Johns.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > I'll take elitist snobs over Latah County trailer trash any day <BR>> of the <BR>> >week, even if they are bigots. At least their stores are nice. <BR>> They have <BR>> >good<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >Penny<BR>> ><BR>> > David wrote: Ooooohhhhh, creepy again. BTW JFord, did you get a <BR>> good, <BR>> >comprehensive list<BR>> >of everyone who's been to West of Paris?<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > >From: "J Ford"<BR>> ><BR>> > >To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > >Subject: [Vision2020] Getting a.....<BR>> > >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:29:31 -0700<BR>> > ><BR>> > >A. You, Doug F, do NOT have a license to do construction work,
<BR>> electrical> >work, engineering work...basically you have a license <BR>> to drive and I<BR>> > >seriously question the wisdom of providing you that.<BR>> > ><BR>> > >B. You are listed as having a "legit" business which the Moscow <BR>> Chamber <BR>> >of<BR>> > >Commerce says they "highly recommend" and are "proud to (have) <BR>> as a <BR>> >member<BR>> > >of the Moscow Chamber of Commerce" because you provide "quality <BR>> services> >and products." The State of Idaho thought that was <BR>> interesting since you<BR>> > >licenses expired in 2005 and they have NO new application for <BR>> you on file <BR>> >-<BR>> > >ever.<BR>> > ><BR>> > >C. Your contracting license (20186) expired on 7-31-2005 and your<BR>> > >Journeyman's license (19675) expired on 31 Aug 2005. So you <BR>> saying you<BR>> > >have done "demolition
work for Mike Hoffman" and you doing any <BR>> kind of<BR>> > >electrical work and having your picture on web sites SHOWING <BR>> you doing <BR>> >any<BR>> > >kind of electrical work is just wrong. As is having your name <BR>> listed in<BR>> > >the Chamber of Commerce's MOST recent listing of businesses and <BR>> your name<BR>> > >being WILLINGLY listed on a permit for electrical work on Mike <BR>> Hoffman's> >yet to be purchased building on Main street is just <BR>wrong.<BR>> > ><BR>> > >See: http://www.tomandrodna.com/Stuff/213_Main_Elec_App.htm and<BR>> > >http://www.moscowchamber.com/Pages/ChamberMembers.asp?Letter=H<BR>> > ><BR>> > >So maybe your "getting a life" is the wrong thing to <BR>> say....mayhap people<BR>> > >should be saying "get a lawyer". For someone that espouses to <BR>> be <BR>> >Christian<BR>> > >and a follower of
Christ's to be doing such obviously illegal <BR>> things <BR>> >should<BR>> > >be seeking the advice of a pastor. Too bad your church doesnae <BR>> have one<BR>> > >you could turn to in such times.<BR>> > ><BR>> > >Oh, and if you think Paul Kimmell taking your name down off the <BR>> MCC web<BR>> > >site is going to help your case - it won't. Just like having <BR>> your picture<BR>> > >taken off the other web site didnae help you...copies are <BR>> easily made.<BR>> > >Just like your e-mails where you "confess" to be doing this <BR>> type of work.<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > >J :]<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > >>From: "Tom Hansen"<BR>> > >>To: , , ,<BR>> > >><BR>> > >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] an apology<BR>> > >>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006
12:03:25 -0700<BR>> > >><BR>> > >>Good, NC -<BR>> > >><BR>> > >>Glad to hear you have a life. Be gentle with it, though. Or else,<BR>> > >>"Comb-Over" will want it back.<BR>> > >><BR>> > >>Tommy Hansen<BR>> > >>Moscow, Idaho<BR>> > >><BR>> > >>"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention <BR>> of <BR>> >arriving<BR>> > >>safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to <BR>> skid in<BR>> > >>sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body <BR>> thoroughly> >>used<BR>> > >>up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a ride!'"<BR>> > >><BR>> > >>-----Original Message-----<BR>> > >>From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com <BR>> >[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<BR>> > >>On Behalf Of
heirdoug@netscape.net<BR>> > >>Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:14 AM<BR>> > >>To: idahotom@hotmail.com; heirdoug@netscape.net; <BR>kjajmix1@msn.com;<BR>> > >>vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] an apology<BR>> > >><BR>> > >>Tommy,<BR>> > >><BR>> > >>I got one! I also have a life!<BR>> > >><BR>> > >>Doug!<BR>> > >><BR>> > >><BR>> > >><BR>> > >>-----Original Message-----<BR>> > >>From: idahotom@hotmail.com<BR>> > >>To: heirdoug@netscape.net; kjajmix1@msn.com; <BR>vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > >>Sent: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 5:46 AM<BR>> > >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] an apology<BR>> > >><BR>> > >>Lemon-O "No Clue" Farris -<BR>> > >><BR>> > >>You really ought to get a day job.<BR>> >
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