[Vision2020] Getting a.....

Wed Aug 30 21:52:58 PDT 2006

Wow, I should have remained a lurker. I've seen some of the venom on 20/20, and didn't think my comments would provoke such nastiness.

  Ok, I did not mean to denigrate anyone living in a trailer. I should have said "white trash." Are there no terms of insult left?

  The point I was trying to make... poorly... is that many people come to Moscow from different parts of the state and the country, and although I love local earth-friendly businesses like the Co-Op and Paradise Creek Bicycles and One World Cafe, I feel that the arrival of snobby Kirker merchants has helped raise the bar for Moscow.

  I am not saying I approve of Pastor Wilson or his philosophy - but I do think that a) Bucer's helped wake some Muscovites up to the fact that businesses like Cafe Spudnik and the coffee place that was where Papa John's now is filled a vital role, and that residents NEED cool cafes and hangouts downtown; and b) I'd rather have NSA located downtown than the empty GTE building.

  Do I like the NSA/Kirker thing? No. But at least they have class, and they seem to have provoked the community in a positive direction. I grew up in Southern Idaho, and the Kirkers are far less offensive to me than the Mormons that controlled my hometown - at least the Kirkers drink alcohol and enjoy wild sex (at least if some of their blogs are to be believed).

  Penny

keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
  OK, Penn, you deserve a double shot of my ire.

"Trailer trash"? Is that the way you see your community -- your neighbors 
are either "bigots" with nice stores, or "Latah County trailer trash"? 
Really? Is there something about living in a modular or mobile home that 
makes people unworthy of your esteem? And are you so needy of fab downtown 
shopping experiences that you would excuse what you call bigotry? Are 
people so easily categorized? Dismissed? Embraced?

Might I be correct in guessing that you don't get invited out much?

Somehow, in the course of two posts, you've managed to show yourself not to 
be one of Moscow's finest citizens, and I can say that no matter where you 
live.

keely

From: Pennsylvania Place 

To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Getting a.....
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:50:25 -0700 (PDT)

You know, I understand why people have problems with Kirkers and NSA 
folks... I myself have dealt with a young elitist married couple that could 
not have been more insincere and fake to me and my family dispite our 
efforts to be neighborly.

That said - I really *do* admire how the Kirker/NSA element is helping to 
class up Moscow. I do not patronize their businesses, but it is nice to have 
clean, sharp stores and restaurants on Main Street. Not everyone in this 
town - even young adults - want to shop at the stupid mall or college 
student holes like the Pita Pit or Papa Johns.

I'll take elitist snobs over Latah County trailer trash any day of the 
week, even if they are bigots. At least their stores are nice. They have 
good

Penny

David wrote: Ooooohhhhh, creepy again. BTW JFord, did you get a good, 
comprehensive list
of everyone who's been to West of Paris?

>From: "J Ford"

>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] Getting a.....
>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:29:31 -0700
>
>A. You, Doug F, do NOT have a license to do construction work, electrical
>work, engineering work...basically you have a license to drive and I
>seriously question the wisdom of providing you that.
>
>B. You are listed as having a "legit" business which the Moscow Chamber of
>Commerce says they "highly recommend" and are "proud to (have) as a member
>of the Moscow Chamber of Commerce" because you provide "quality services
>and products." The State of Idaho thought that was interesting since you
>licenses expired in 2005 and they have NO new application for you on file 
-
>ever.
>
>C. Your contracting license (20186) expired on 7-31-2005 and your
>Journeyman's license (19675) expired on 31 Aug 2005. So you saying you
>have done "demolition work for Mike Hoffman" and you doing any kind of
>electrical work and having your picture on web sites SHOWING you doing any
>kind of electrical work is just wrong. As is having your name listed in
>the Chamber of Commerce's MOST recent listing of businesses and your name
>being WILLINGLY listed on a permit for electrical work on Mike Hoffman's
>yet to be purchased building on Main street is just wrong.
>
>See: http://www.tomandrodna.com/Stuff/213_Main_Elec_App.htm and
>http://www.moscowchamber.com/Pages/ChamberMembers.asp?Letter=H
>
>So maybe your "getting a life" is the wrong thing to say....mayhap people
>should be saying "get a lawyer". For someone that espouses to be Christian
>and a follower of Christ's to be doing such obviously illegal things 
should
>be seeking the advice of a pastor. Too bad your church doesnae have one
>you could turn to in such times.
>
>Oh, and if you think Paul Kimmell taking your name down off the MCC web
>site is going to help your case - it won't. Just like having your picture
>taken off the other web site didnae help you...copies are easily made.
>Just like your e-mails where you "confess" to be doing this type of work.
>
>
>J :]
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Tom Hansen"
>>To: , , ,
>>
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] an apology
>>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:03:25 -0700
>>
>>Good, NC -
>>
>>Glad to hear you have a life. Be gentle with it, though. Or else,
>>"Comb-Over" will want it back.
>>
>>Tommy Hansen
>>Moscow, Idaho
>>
>>"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
>>safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
>>sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body thoroughly
>>used
>>up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a ride!'"
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>>On Behalf Of heirdoug at netscape.net
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:14 AM
>>To: idahotom at hotmail.com; heirdoug at netscape.net; kjajmix1 at msn.com;
>>vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] an apology
>>
>>Tommy,
>>
>>I got one! I also have a life!
>>
>>Doug!
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: idahotom at hotmail.com
>>To: heirdoug at netscape.net; kjajmix1 at msn.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Sent: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 5:46 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] an apology
>>
>>Lemon-O "No Clue" Farris -
>>
>>You really ought to get a day job.
>>
>>Now, off with you to the sand box. Your buddies , Arnold and dick
>>Sherwin, await you. You boys can play "Show and Tell" or you could
>>discuss knocking "heads" off while you extend something. You know. We
>>really should put that "Adults Only" sign back up.
>>
>>Question, though, NC - Exactly what do you do at Heirloom Electric?
>>Nothing that requires a license I hope?
>>
>>Tom Hansen Moscow, Idaho
>>
>> >From: heirdoug at netscape.net >To: kjajmix1 at msn.com, 
vision2020 at moscow.com
>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] an apology >Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:31:16
>>-0400 > >Keely, > >I do have one question with regard to the apology you
>>are giving to
>>all >of the fine folks here. > >Am I supposed to extend forgiveness to 
you
>>for biting my head off or >for you getting caught biting my head off or
>>for you biting my head
>>off >without cause knowing that there may be a cause later on? Let me 
know
>> >and I will gladly extend it. > >Doug!
>>
>>
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