[Vision2020] V2020 Question: RE: Wilsonvile in trouble?
Austin Storm
austinstorm at gmail.com
Fri Aug 25 12:17:46 PDT 2006
Mr. Campbell,
If J says on this list that she's not Jackie Woolf, I'll apologize.
-Austin
On 8/25/06, Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> Mr. Storm,
>
> You're way over the line. You should never mention the names of children
> in an open forum. To try to justify this by making accusations of which you
> have absolutely no proof is wrong and absurd. Even if everything you say
> about J Ford is true, that hardly justifies your actions.
>
> --
> Joe Campbell
>
> ---- Austin Storm <austinstorm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> =============
> Dear Ms. Lund,
>
> J Ford is Jackie W. I'm not trying to attack her, I'm trying to diffuse
> her
> constant attacks by decrying her as a liar.
>
> You are saying that you are disturbed that so many people are accusing her
> of being someone she is not, and bringing up personal details of this
> third
> person?
>
> If J was Jackie, I would apologize for revealing personal details about
> her
> on V2020. Also if Jackie got back on the list and said that J was not her
> than I would apologize even more profusely for the error. So would Doug F,
> I'm sure.
>
> -Austin
>
>
> On 8/25/06, Saundra Lund <sslund at adelphia.net > wrote:
> >
> > [My apologies in advance if this shows up twice -- the first seems to
> have
> >
> > disappeared into cyberspace. SL]
> >
> > Visionaries:
> >
> > Is it just me, or is anyone else disturbed by the Kirk contingent's
> newest
> > strategy of snarkily trotting out the names of underage children (they
> > aren't the parents of) on V2020 to attack V2020 posters?
> >
> > To me, it seems absolutely despicable and inappropriate and downright
> > creepy
> > . . . and not just because they've never produced a shred of evidence
> here
> > to support their accusations that J Ford and Jackie Woolf are one and
> the
> > same.
> >
> > I understand that V2020 is an open unmoderated forum and it's something
> > we've discussed more than once over the past few years, but this new
> trend
> > of the Kirk's to name/identify children not their own is just about a
> > bridge
> > too far, IMHO.
> >
> > This behavior seems particularly loathsome given the Kirk's bloated
> > whining
> > right here on V2020 during our recent discussions following the
> > revelations
> > of the crimes of two child molesters affiliated with the Kirk. It was
> > wrong, we were told, to even *discuss* the crimes because it would
> somehow
> > cause harm to the many unnamed victims and their families.
> >
> > This seems to me yet another example of the double-standard the Kirk had
> > become infamous for: Kirk children are more worthy of being protected
> and
> > treated appropriately than are the children of the rest of the
> community.
> >
> > Personally, I *know* God is most unhappy with their tactic (and any
> > religious leader worth his/her salt would offer appropriate counsel
> > regarding the error of their ways), but my concern and questions
> > is: isn't
> > there *anything* we can do about this shameful tactic of
> > naming/identifying
> > underage children on V2020 in an attempt to intimidate by these two
> > reprobates?
> >
> >
> > Saundra Lund
> > Moscow, ID
> >
> > The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to
> do
> > nothing.
> > - Edmund Burke
> >
> > ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra
> Lund.
> > Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020
> forum
> > without the express written permission of the author.*****
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> > On Behalf Of heirdoug at netscape.net
> > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:57 AM
> > To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com;
> austinstorm at gmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
> >
> > Rememeber Austin,
> >
> > You would be correct in saying the J. Ford is in fact not Jackie Woolf.
> >
> > J. Ford would not make her son [name deleted SL] run the weed wacker at
> > the
> > Episcopal Church while she barked orders to him from the sidelines.
> >
> > J. Ford, who was all up in arms about Christ Church boys having a boxing
> > match, would never alow her son to learn a manly skill such as boxing at
> > the
> > local gym.
> >
> > And J. Ford would never be caught dead in a big blue feathery cowboy
> hat!
> >
> > Doug!
> >
> > PS. Jackie, all of the checks for demo work that Mike Hoffman wrote to
> me
> > didn't bounce.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Sent: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:36:26 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
> >
> > Again, you attempt to sidetrack the question by attacking the
> > questioner.
> > Nice try. Nah, it wasnae, really.
> >
> > Forgiveness is not just handed out it is earned - you havenae earned it
> > and
> > therefore you donnae get it from me.
> >
> > See, the question wasnae directed to Dougie's little whipping boys, it
> > was
> > directed to his cowardness hisself. Once again, he chooses to let you
> > boys
> > take the lead and try to distract people and unfortunately since you
> > have,
> > you failed.
> >
> > Again, Dougie - since the projects you fought - well through Mike
> > Hoffman,
> > you fought since neither you nor Matt ever bothered to show up to the
> > meetings - the City to gain approval for, projects that they spent a
> > great
> > deal of City time, money and energy on, are now bust what is your next
> > move?
> >
> > Wonder what Matt will get for his house now that he's done all that
> > improvement and remodeling. Hope it wasnae for nothing, Matt.
> >
> > Anyone even seen Mike recently? Bet Avista, Verizon, the contractor
> > who's
> > machines and supplies just sat for weeks without payment would like to.
> >
> > Let's see, the Red Door, Goodwill, the Silos, Mt. View, N Polk Ext...a
> > lot
> > of projects and no Mike Hoffman with a check book...hmmmmm. Hey,
> > Dougie-boy
> > - can you say "Sucker!"?
> >
> >
> > J :]
> >
> > P.S. sportsboyzinthekirkhood need not reply...you're "bozo-ed"!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Austin Storm" <austinstorm at gmail.com>
> > >To: "J Ford" < privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> > >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
> > >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:25:03 -0700
> > >
> > >J,
> > >
> > >The best way to get honest answers is to ask honest questions. You
> > >alternate
> > >between questions that are actually insults and paranoid nonsense.
> > Forgive
> > >me for being so blunt, but that's how you come across. You seem
> > borderline
> > >/obsessed/ with Pastor Wilson, an obsession that leads to conspiracy
> > >theories (I'm quite sure he's not rich, for instance.). I'm also sure
> > he
> > >poses no threat to you... after all, he thinks you are Jackie Woolf who
> > >lives on N. Garfield with her son, Kenyon, and you've denied on
> > multiple
> > >occassions that you are this person or that you have a son named
> > [name deleted SL]. =P
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Austin
> > >
> > >On 8/24/06, J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>What, you are so much the follower of his you've taken on his duty to
> > >>reply
> > >>to questions directed to him?
> > >>
> > >>Wow - such dedication, such loyalty,
> > >>
> > >>such self-depreciation....
> > >>
> > >>Anyway - Dougie, care to let the community know what yer plans are now
> > >>that
> > >>the bottom seems to have fallen out of another one of yer schemes?
> > >>
> > >>No? Oh well.....
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>J :]
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >From: "David Williams" <davidwilliams365 at hotmail.com>
> > >> >To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
> > >> >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:58:38 -0400
> > >> >
> > >> >Why do you even ask?? You'll know anyways, from your sweet vantage
> > >>point
> > >> >in the bushes.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>From: "J Ford" < privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> > >> >>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >> >>Subject: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
> > >> >>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:20:27 -0700
> > >> >>
> > >> >>Hey Dougie-boy, you mega-land/money-grabber-wannabe:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>Since Michael's project on Mt. View is now on hold indefinitely
> > and
> > >>YOUR
> > >> >>project is on hold on N Polk Ext. - whatcha gonna do?
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>J :]
> > >> >>
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> Austin Storm
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208.596.5752 work | 678.550.5503 fax
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