Mr. Campbell,<br><br>If J says on this list that she's not Jackie Woolf, I'll apologize.<br><br>-Austin<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/25/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Joe Campbell</b> <<a href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">
joekc@adelphia.net</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Mr. Storm,<br><br>You're way over the line. You should never mention the names of children in an open forum. To try to justify this by making accusations of which you have absolutely no proof is wrong and absurd. Even if everything you say about J Ford is true, that hardly justifies your actions.
<br><br>--<br>Joe Campbell<br><br>---- Austin Storm <<a href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com">austinstorm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>=============<br>Dear Ms. Lund,<br><br>J Ford is Jackie W. I'm not trying to attack her, I'm trying to diffuse her
<br>constant attacks by decrying her as a liar.<br><br>You are saying that you are disturbed that so many people are accusing her<br>of being someone she is not, and bringing up personal details of this third<br>person?<br>
<br>If J was Jackie, I would apologize for revealing personal details about her<br>on V2020. Also if Jackie got back on the list and said that J was not her<br>than I would apologize even more profusely for the error. So would Doug F,
<br>I'm sure.<br><br>-Austin<br><br><br>On 8/25/06, Saundra Lund <<a href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net">sslund@adelphia.net</a> > wrote:<br>><br>> [My apologies in advance if this shows up twice -- the first seems to have
<br>><br>> disappeared into cyberspace. SL]<br>><br>> Visionaries:<br>><br>> Is it just me, or is anyone else disturbed by the Kirk contingent's newest<br>> strategy of snarkily trotting out the names of underage children (they
<br>> aren't the parents of) on V2020 to attack V2020 posters?<br>><br>> To me, it seems absolutely despicable and inappropriate and downright<br>> creepy<br>> . . . and not just because they've never produced a shred of evidence here
<br>> to support their accusations that J Ford and Jackie Woolf are one and the<br>> same.<br>><br>> I understand that V2020 is an open unmoderated forum and it's something<br>> we've discussed more than once over the past few years, but this new trend
<br>> of the Kirk's to name/identify children not their own is just about a<br>> bridge<br>> too far, IMHO.<br>><br>> This behavior seems particularly loathsome given the Kirk's bloated<br>> whining<br>> right here on V2020 during our recent discussions following the
<br>> revelations<br>> of the crimes of two child molesters affiliated with the Kirk. It was<br>> wrong, we were told, to even *discuss* the crimes because it would somehow<br>> cause harm to the many unnamed victims and their families.
<br>><br>> This seems to me yet another example of the double-standard the Kirk had<br>> become infamous for: Kirk children are more worthy of being protected and<br>> treated appropriately than are the children of the rest of the community.
<br>><br>> Personally, I *know* God is most unhappy with their tactic (and any<br>> religious leader worth his/her salt would offer appropriate counsel<br>> regarding the error of their ways), but my concern and questions
<br>> is: isn't<br>> there *anything* we can do about this shameful tactic of<br>> naming/identifying<br>> underage children on V2020 in an attempt to intimidate by these two<br>> reprobates?<br>><br>>
<br>> Saundra Lund<br>> Moscow, ID<br>><br>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do<br>> nothing.<br>> - Edmund Burke<br>><br>> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.
<br>> Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum<br>> without the express written permission of the author.*****<br>><br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>]<br>> On Behalf Of <a href="mailto:heirdoug@netscape.net">heirdoug@netscape.net</a><br>> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:57 AM
<br>> To: <a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>; <a href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com">austinstorm@gmail.com</a><br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
<br>><br>> Rememeber Austin,<br>><br>> You would be correct in saying the J. Ford is in fact not Jackie Woolf.<br>><br>> J. Ford would not make her son [name deleted SL] run the weed wacker at<br>> the
<br>> Episcopal Church while she barked orders to him from the sidelines.<br>><br>> J. Ford, who was all up in arms about Christ Church boys having a boxing<br>> match, would never alow her son to learn a manly skill such as boxing at
<br>> the<br>> local gym.<br>><br>> And J. Ford would never be caught dead in a big blue feathery cowboy hat!<br>><br>> Doug!<br>><br>> PS. Jackie, all of the checks for demo work that Mike Hoffman wrote to me
<br>> didn't bounce.<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: J Ford <<a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>><br>> To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">
vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> Sent: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:36:26 -0700<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?<br>><br>> Again, you attempt to sidetrack the question by attacking the<br>> questioner.
<br>> Nice try. Nah, it wasnae, really.<br>><br>> Forgiveness is not just handed out it is earned - you havenae earned it<br>> and<br>> therefore you donnae get it from me.<br>><br>> See, the question wasnae directed to Dougie's little whipping boys, it
<br>> was<br>> directed to his cowardness hisself. Once again, he chooses to let you<br>> boys<br>> take the lead and try to distract people and unfortunately since you<br>> have,<br>> you failed.<br>>
<br>> Again, Dougie - since the projects you fought - well through Mike<br>> Hoffman,<br>> you fought since neither you nor Matt ever bothered to show up to the<br>> meetings - the City to gain approval for, projects that they spent a
<br>> great<br>> deal of City time, money and energy on, are now bust what is your next<br>> move?<br>><br>> Wonder what Matt will get for his house now that he's done all that<br>> improvement and remodeling. Hope it wasnae for nothing, Matt.
<br>><br>> Anyone even seen Mike recently? Bet Avista, Verizon, the contractor<br>> who's<br>> machines and supplies just sat for weeks without payment would like to.<br>><br>> Let's see, the Red Door, Goodwill, the Silos, Mt. View, N Polk Ext...a
<br>> lot<br>> of projects and no Mike Hoffman with a check book...hmmmmm. Hey,<br>> Dougie-boy<br>> - can you say "Sucker!"?<br>><br>><br>> J :]<br>><br>> P.S. sportsboyzinthekirkhood need not reply...you're "bozo-ed"!
<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> >From: "Austin Storm" <<a href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com">austinstorm@gmail.com</a>><br>> >To: "J Ford" < <a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">
privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>><br>> >CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?<br>> >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:25:03 -0700
<br>> ><br>> >J,<br>> ><br>> >The best way to get honest answers is to ask honest questions. You<br>> >alternate<br>> >between questions that are actually insults and paranoid nonsense.
<br>> Forgive<br>> >me for being so blunt, but that's how you come across. You seem<br>> borderline<br>> >/obsessed/ with Pastor Wilson, an obsession that leads to conspiracy<br>> >theories (I'm quite sure he's not rich, for instance.). I'm also sure
<br>> he<br>> >poses no threat to you... after all, he thinks you are Jackie Woolf who<br>> >lives on N. Garfield with her son, Kenyon, and you've denied on<br>> multiple<br>> >occassions that you are this person or that you have a son named
<br>> [name deleted SL]. =P<br>> ><br>> >Regards,<br>> ><br>> >Austin<br>> ><br>> >On 8/24/06, J Ford <<a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:
<br>> >><br>> >>What, you are so much the follower of his you've taken on his duty to<br>> >>reply<br>> >>to questions directed to him?<br>> >><br>> >>Wow - such dedication, such loyalty,
<br>> >><br>> >>such self-depreciation....<br>> >><br>> >>Anyway - Dougie, care to let the community know what yer plans are now<br>> >>that<br>> >>the bottom seems to have fallen out of another one of yer schemes?
<br>> >><br>> >>No? Oh well.....<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >>J :]<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> >From: "David Williams" <
<a href="mailto:davidwilliams365@hotmail.com">davidwilliams365@hotmail.com</a>><br>> >> >To: <a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>, <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com
</a><br>> >> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?<br>> >> >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:58:38 -0400<br>> >> ><br>> >> >Why do you even ask?? You'll know anyways, from your sweet vantage
<br>> >>point<br>> >> >in the bushes.<br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> >>From: "J Ford" < <a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">privatejf32@hotmail.com
</a>><br>> >> >>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> >> >>Subject: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?<br>> >> >>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:20:27 -0700
<br>> >> >><br>> >> >>Hey Dougie-boy, you mega-land/money-grabber-wannabe:<br>> >> >><br>> >> >>Since Michael's project on Mt. View is now on hold indefinitely<br>
> and<br>> >>YOUR<br>> >> >>project is on hold on N Polk Ext. - whatcha gonna do?<br>> >> >><br>> >> >><br>> >> >>J :]<br>> >> >><br>
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