[Vision2020] V2020 Question: RE: Wilsonvile in trouble?
Austin Storm
austinstorm at gmail.com
Fri Aug 25 11:31:33 PDT 2006
Dear Ms. Lund,
J Ford is Jackie W. I'm not trying to attack her, I'm trying to diffuse her
constant attacks by decrying her as a liar.
You are saying that you are disturbed that so many people are accusing her
of being someone she is not, and bringing up personal details of this third
person?
If J was Jackie, I would apologize for revealing personal details about her
on V2020. Also if Jackie got back on the list and said that J was not her
than I would apologize even more profusely for the error. So would Doug F,
I'm sure.
-Austin
On 8/25/06, Saundra Lund <sslund at adelphia.net > wrote:
>
> [My apologies in advance if this shows up twice -- the first seems to have
>
> disappeared into cyberspace. SL]
>
> Visionaries:
>
> Is it just me, or is anyone else disturbed by the Kirk contingent's newest
> strategy of snarkily trotting out the names of underage children (they
> aren't the parents of) on V2020 to attack V2020 posters?
>
> To me, it seems absolutely despicable and inappropriate and downright
> creepy
> . . . and not just because they've never produced a shred of evidence here
> to support their accusations that J Ford and Jackie Woolf are one and the
> same.
>
> I understand that V2020 is an open unmoderated forum and it's something
> we've discussed more than once over the past few years, but this new trend
> of the Kirk's to name/identify children not their own is just about a
> bridge
> too far, IMHO.
>
> This behavior seems particularly loathsome given the Kirk's bloated
> whining
> right here on V2020 during our recent discussions following the
> revelations
> of the crimes of two child molesters affiliated with the Kirk. It was
> wrong, we were told, to even *discuss* the crimes because it would somehow
> cause harm to the many unnamed victims and their families.
>
> This seems to me yet another example of the double-standard the Kirk had
> become infamous for: Kirk children are more worthy of being protected and
> treated appropriately than are the children of the rest of the community.
>
> Personally, I *know* God is most unhappy with their tactic (and any
> religious leader worth his/her salt would offer appropriate counsel
> regarding the error of their ways), but my concern and questions
> is: isn't
> there *anything* we can do about this shameful tactic of
> naming/identifying
> underage children on V2020 in an attempt to intimidate by these two
> reprobates?
>
>
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
>
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
> nothing.
> - Edmund Burke
>
> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.
> Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum
> without the express written permission of the author.*****
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of heirdoug at netscape.net
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:57 AM
> To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com; austinstorm at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
>
> Rememeber Austin,
>
> You would be correct in saying the J. Ford is in fact not Jackie Woolf.
>
> J. Ford would not make her son [name deleted SL] run the weed wacker at
> the
> Episcopal Church while she barked orders to him from the sidelines.
>
> J. Ford, who was all up in arms about Christ Church boys having a boxing
> match, would never alow her son to learn a manly skill such as boxing at
> the
> local gym.
>
> And J. Ford would never be caught dead in a big blue feathery cowboy hat!
>
> Doug!
>
> PS. Jackie, all of the checks for demo work that Mike Hoffman wrote to me
> didn't bounce.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:36:26 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
>
> Again, you attempt to sidetrack the question by attacking the
> questioner.
> Nice try. Nah, it wasnae, really.
>
> Forgiveness is not just handed out it is earned - you havenae earned it
> and
> therefore you donnae get it from me.
>
> See, the question wasnae directed to Dougie's little whipping boys, it
> was
> directed to his cowardness hisself. Once again, he chooses to let you
> boys
> take the lead and try to distract people and unfortunately since you
> have,
> you failed.
>
> Again, Dougie - since the projects you fought - well through Mike
> Hoffman,
> you fought since neither you nor Matt ever bothered to show up to the
> meetings - the City to gain approval for, projects that they spent a
> great
> deal of City time, money and energy on, are now bust what is your next
> move?
>
> Wonder what Matt will get for his house now that he's done all that
> improvement and remodeling. Hope it wasnae for nothing, Matt.
>
> Anyone even seen Mike recently? Bet Avista, Verizon, the contractor
> who's
> machines and supplies just sat for weeks without payment would like to.
>
> Let's see, the Red Door, Goodwill, the Silos, Mt. View, N Polk Ext...a
> lot
> of projects and no Mike Hoffman with a check book...hmmmmm. Hey,
> Dougie-boy
> - can you say "Sucker!"?
>
>
> J :]
>
> P.S. sportsboyzinthekirkhood need not reply...you're "bozo-ed"!
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Austin Storm" <austinstorm at gmail.com>
> >To: "J Ford" < privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
> >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:25:03 -0700
> >
> >J,
> >
> >The best way to get honest answers is to ask honest questions. You
> >alternate
> >between questions that are actually insults and paranoid nonsense.
> Forgive
> >me for being so blunt, but that's how you come across. You seem
> borderline
> >/obsessed/ with Pastor Wilson, an obsession that leads to conspiracy
> >theories (I'm quite sure he's not rich, for instance.). I'm also sure
> he
> >poses no threat to you... after all, he thinks you are Jackie Woolf who
> >lives on N. Garfield with her son, Kenyon, and you've denied on
> multiple
> >occassions that you are this person or that you have a son named
> [name deleted SL]. =P
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Austin
> >
> >On 8/24/06, J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>What, you are so much the follower of his you've taken on his duty to
> >>reply
> >>to questions directed to him?
> >>
> >>Wow - such dedication, such loyalty,
> >>
> >>such self-depreciation....
> >>
> >>Anyway - Dougie, care to let the community know what yer plans are now
> >>that
> >>the bottom seems to have fallen out of another one of yer schemes?
> >>
> >>No? Oh well.....
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>J :]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: "David Williams" <davidwilliams365 at hotmail.com>
> >> >To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
> >> >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:58:38 -0400
> >> >
> >> >Why do you even ask?? You'll know anyways, from your sweet vantage
> >>point
> >> >in the bushes.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>From: "J Ford" < privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> >> >>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> >>Subject: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
> >> >>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:20:27 -0700
> >> >>
> >> >>Hey Dougie-boy, you mega-land/money-grabber-wannabe:
> >> >>
> >> >>Since Michael's project on Mt. View is now on hold indefinitely
> and
> >>YOUR
> >> >>project is on hold on N Polk Ext. - whatcha gonna do?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>J :]
> >> >>
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