Dear Ms. Lund,<br><br>J Ford is Jackie W. I'm not trying to attack her, I'm trying to diffuse her constant attacks by decrying her as a liar.<br><br>You are saying that you are disturbed that so many people are accusing her of being someone she is not, and bringing up personal details of this third person?
<br><br>If J was Jackie, I would apologize for revealing personal details about her on V2020. Also if Jackie got back on the list and said that J was not her than I would apologize even more profusely for the error. So would Doug F, I'm sure.
<br><br>-Austin<br><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/25/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Saundra Lund</b> <<a href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
sslund@adelphia.net
</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">[My apologies in advance if this shows up twice -- the first seems to have
<br>disappeared into cyberspace. SL]<br><br>Visionaries:<br><br>Is it just me, or is anyone else disturbed by the Kirk contingent's newest<br>strategy of snarkily trotting out the names of underage children (they<br>aren't the parents of) on V2020 to attack V2020 posters?
<br><br>To me, it seems absolutely despicable and inappropriate and downright creepy<br>. . . and not just because they've never produced a shred of evidence here<br>to support their accusations that J Ford and Jackie Woolf are one and the
<br>same.<br><br>I understand that V2020 is an open unmoderated forum and it's something<br>we've discussed more than once over the past few years, but this new trend<br>of the Kirk's to name/identify children not their own is just about a bridge
<br>too far, IMHO.<br><br>This behavior seems particularly loathsome given the Kirk's bloated whining<br>right here on V2020 during our recent discussions following the revelations<br>of the crimes of two child molesters affiliated with the Kirk. It was
<br>wrong, we were told, to even *discuss* the crimes because it would somehow<br>cause harm to the many unnamed victims and their families.<br><br>This seems to me yet another example of the double-standard the Kirk had
<br>
become infamous for: Kirk children are more worthy of being protected and<br>treated appropriately than are the children of the rest of the community.<br><br>Personally, I *know* God is most unhappy with their tactic (and any
<br>religious leader worth his/her salt would offer appropriate counsel<br>regarding the error of their ways), but my concern and questions is: isn't<br>there *anything* we can do about this shameful tactic of naming/identifying
<br>underage children on V2020 in an attempt to intimidate by these two<br>reprobates?<br><br><br>Saundra Lund<br>Moscow, ID<br><br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do<br>nothing.<br>
- Edmund Burke<br><br>***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.<br>Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum<br>without the express written permission of the author.*****
<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>]<br>
On Behalf Of <a href="mailto:heirdoug@netscape.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">heirdoug@netscape.net</a><br>Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:57 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
vision2020@moscow.com</a>; <a href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">austinstorm@gmail.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?<br><br>
Rememeber Austin,<br><br>You would be correct in saying the J. Ford is in fact not Jackie Woolf.
<br><br>J. Ford would not make her son [name deleted SL] run the weed wacker at the<br>Episcopal Church while she barked orders to him from the sidelines.<br><br>J. Ford, who was all up in arms about Christ Church boys having a boxing
<br>match, would never alow her son to learn a manly skill such as boxing at the<br>local gym.<br><br>And J. Ford would never be caught dead in a big blue feathery cowboy hat!<br><br>Doug!<br><br>PS. Jackie, all of the checks for demo work that Mike Hoffman wrote to me
<br>didn't bounce.<br><br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: J Ford <<a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">privatejf32@hotmail.com
</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">vision2020@moscow.com
</a><br>Sent: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:36:26 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?<br><br>Again, you attempt to sidetrack the question by attacking the<br>questioner.<br>Nice try. Nah, it wasnae, really.<br>
<br>Forgiveness is not just handed out it is earned - you havenae earned it<br>and<br>therefore you donnae get it from me.<br><br>See, the question wasnae directed to Dougie's little whipping boys, it<br>was<br>directed to his cowardness hisself. Once again, he chooses to let you
<br>boys<br>take the lead and try to distract people and unfortunately since you<br>have,<br>you failed.<br><br>Again, Dougie - since the projects you fought - well through Mike<br>Hoffman,<br>you fought since neither you nor Matt ever bothered to show up to the
<br>meetings - the City to gain approval for, projects that they spent a<br>great<br>deal of City time, money and energy on, are now bust what is your next<br>move?<br><br>Wonder what Matt will get for his house now that he's done all that
<br>improvement and remodeling. Hope it wasnae for nothing, Matt.<br><br>Anyone even seen Mike recently? Bet Avista, Verizon, the contractor<br>who's<br>machines and supplies just sat for weeks without payment would like to.
<br><br>Let's see, the Red Door, Goodwill, the Silos, Mt. View, N Polk Ext...a<br>lot<br>of projects and no Mike Hoffman with a check book...hmmmmm. Hey,<br>Dougie-boy<br>- can you say "Sucker!"?<br><br><br>J :]
<br><br>P.S. sportsboyzinthekirkhood need not reply...you're "bozo-ed"!<br><br><br><br><br>>From: "Austin Storm" <<a href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
austinstorm@gmail.com</a>><br>>To: "J Ford" <
<a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>><br>>CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?<br>>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:25:03 -0700
<br>><br>>J,<br>><br>>The best way to get honest answers is to ask honest questions. You<br>>alternate<br>>between questions that are actually insults and paranoid nonsense.<br>Forgive<br>>me for being so blunt, but that's how you come across. You seem
<br>borderline<br>>/obsessed/ with Pastor Wilson, an obsession that leads to conspiracy<br>>theories (I'm quite sure he's not rich, for instance.). I'm also sure<br>he<br>>poses no threat to you... after all, he thinks you are Jackie Woolf who
<br>>lives on N. Garfield with her son, Kenyon, and you've denied on<br>multiple<br>>occassions that you are this person or that you have a son named<br>[name deleted SL]. =P<br>><br>>Regards,<br>><br>>Austin
<br>><br>>On 8/24/06, J Ford <<a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>>What, you are so much the follower of his you've taken on his duty to
<br>>>reply
<br>>>to questions directed to him?<br>>><br>>>Wow - such dedication, such loyalty,<br>>><br>>>such self-depreciation....<br>>><br>>>Anyway - Dougie, care to let the community know what yer plans are now
<br>>>that<br>>>the bottom seems to have fallen out of another one of yer schemes?<br>>><br>>>No? Oh well.....<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>>J :]<br>>><br>>><br>>>
<br>>><br>>><br>>> >From: "David Williams" <<a href="mailto:davidwilliams365@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">davidwilliams365@hotmail.com
</a>><br>>> >To: <a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>, <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
<br>>> >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:58:38 -0400<br>>> >
<br>>> >Why do you even ask?? You'll know anyways, from your sweet vantage<br>>>point<br>>> >in the bushes.<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> >>From: "J Ford" <<a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>><br>>> >>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>> >>Subject: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
<br>>> >>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:20:27 -0700
<br>>> >><br>>> >>Hey Dougie-boy, you mega-land/money-grabber-wannabe:<br>>> >><br>>> >>Since Michael's project on Mt. View is now on hold indefinitely<br>and<br>>>YOUR
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