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[Tony Simpson]

Debi my dear, you seem a bit flushed and you protesteth too much.

It's OK Honey, Daddy understands.......

Fact is, Deb, since you missed the dialog during your absence, what went 
down (no pun intended) was this:  I was accused by someone of being a 
chauvanist who treated women poorly.  I simply replied that I knew very well 
how to treat women, in and out of bed.  Nothing particularly humorous there 
dear, just the truth.  This Hon and Dear business is a put on reserved 
exclusively for uptight and competetive feminists who prefer their men in 
the subservient, beta mode.

And Sweetheart, I'm all alpha.  But I must caution you that if you keep 
approaching me with such a snotty attitude, you don't stand a chance of 
getting into my pants.  And I can tell from the tenor of your protestations 
that you desperately want to.

Fair warning from a wonderful guy........    --Tony
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <debismith at moscow.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] recent posts


> Sorry I have not been paying attention to the Viz the past few days. Busy 
> with first week on
> campus, as well as just tired of it. So, going over the posting limit, but 
> render unto me some
> slack, as i post less frequently than..oh, say, Donovan...
>
> However, I've gotta say I finally caught up with forwarded e-mails 
> referencing ToeKnee
> Simpson's posts. I about fell down laughing!! I still have the ToeKnee 
> unit bozo filtered, but was
> sent his "I'm good in bed" and "I love women" horsehockey. It took about 
> twenty minutes
> before I could catch my breath for laughing so hard. I think he may owe me 
> for a doctor
> appointment for treating a dislocated rib!
>
> I've been forced to come to the conclusion that ToeKnee is really a shill 
> for the left---no right-
> winger with a brain would go that far (they might be wrong, but they 
> usually aren't Three-
> Stooges hilariously stupid). I haven't laughed so hard at a 
> foam-at-the-mouth cartoon character
> since I watched Who Framed Roger Rabbit!!
>
> Thanks for the laughs, B'rer Simpson!! I'm glad you're on our side. If the 
> right wingers ever
> (mistakingly) claimed you, they would be so over and done!! I'm glad you 
> are making wing-nuts
> on the right look crazy. I never had any doubts they were, but I 
> appreciate the time and effort
> you have put into the project of proving it!!  Sorry for any nasty 
> comments before I caught on to
> your agenda. You RULE, ToeKnee~!!!! Keep up the good work of undermining 
> the totalitarian
> religious right wing!!!
>
> Debi R-S
>
>
>
> From:           "donald huskey" <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>
> To:             "'Saundra Lund'" <sslund at adelphia.net>,
>       "'Tony Simpson'" <tonytime at clearwire.net>,
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Date sent:      Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:34:15 -0700
> Subject:        Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom, kick a flag--burner's 
> ass!
>
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>
> Brilliant Post, Ms. Lund!  I would only add that American's enemies should
> take great comfort in knowing that many American's are, arguably, more
> concerned about the fall television line-up (Bull Riding fans excepted, of
> course) than they are about the upcoming congressional elections, human
> rights for our diverse population, and educational outreach to those with
> literacy deficits.
>
> Rose
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Saundra Lund
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:33 PM
> To: 'Tony Simpson'; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom, kick a flag--burner's ass!
>
> Hi Tony & Other Visionaries:
>
> I've stayed out of this discussion because I know what I think and have 
> been
> trying to gain a better understanding for what others think & why they 
> think
> what they think.
>
> But, you've finally written something that I can't resist  :-)
>
> You wrote:
> ". . . it's just that I think flag burning gives significant comfort to
> America's enemies."
>
> What is the basis for you thinking that?
>
> The reason I ask is that *I* think you're just plain wrong on that  :-)  I
> have to preface my remarks by saying that since I don't know any 
> terrorists
> that I know of, my sample is admittedly skewed.
>
> However, I do know people from lots of countries, including folks from
> countries that certainly aren't thrilled with our current government or 
> with
> our form of government.  And, I read a lot  :-)
>
> I think what "gives comfort to America's enemies" isn't anything like
> burning the flag, but rather seeing the erosion of the individual
> *liberties* American is known for fiercely protecting . . . and that
> includes any erosion of our freedom of expression, which includes the
> freedom to criticize our government.
>
> I think "America's enemies" find *real* comfort in watching the news 
> footage
> of American citizens having to take off their shoes and throw away bottles
> of water before being allowed to travel by plane within our own country, 
> all
> the while those same enemies know that our other forms of mass
> transportation are virtually unprotected, and that our ports are 
> vulnerable,
> and that our water supplies are vulnerable.
>
> I think "America's enemies" find it a hoot to watch the vicious fighting
> between people on silly issues like banning the burning of the flag while
> watching the gap between the "haves" and the "have nots" widen.
>
> I think "America's enemies" take great comfort in the knowledge that 
> there's
> really no such thing as the absolute safety and watch with keen interest 
> to
> see exactly how far we're willing to let our government go in eroding our
> liberties for something that simply doesn't exist.
>
> My thoughts are based on lots of reading and *lots* of conversations over
> decades with folks who live in other countries and lots of conversations
> with folks who study this kind of thing
>
> So, Tony, want makes your thoughts/beliefs on this issue any more valid 
> than
> mine?
>
> Exactly how much individual liberty are you willing to give up in an
> impossible quest for safety from terrorist attacks?
>
>
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
>
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
> nothing.
> - Edmund Burke
>
> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.
> Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum
> without the express written permission of the author.*****
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Tony Simpson
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:11 AM
> To: Joe Campbell
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom, kick a flag--burner's ass!
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> I see the distinction you're concerned about, it's just that I think flag
> burning gives significant comfort to America's enemies.  That probably
> constitutes harm.  Still, one could probably make that argument about ANY
> (genuine) speech dissenting from the official American position.  I can
> certainly look around and find more prevalent concerns than flag burning,
> and grow tired of the thread, sooo......
>
> Later, --T
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
> To: "Tony Simpson" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Bill London" <london at moscow.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 5:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom, kick a flag--burner's ass!
>
>
>> The key behind Bill's point is the difference between harm and offense.
>> Robbery is a harm, flag burning is at most an offense. Sure you can tell
>> some detailed story about some "harm"  somewhere that is a "result" of 
>> the
>
>> flag burning but there is no more of a connection here than there is
>> between the lame comments of some folks on the V and my inability to 
>> sleep
>
>> at night.
>>
>> Vague laws against certain forms of political expression, in this case
>> flag burning, may make us feel good but they also open the door for more
>> general and restrictive laws. The only way to prevent this is to have our
>> laws be crisp and clean. Clear harms to clear persons should be the
>> standard.
>>
>> --
>> Joe Campbell
>>
>> ---- Tony Simpson <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote:
>>
>> =============
>> Ah but Bill, how can you be so intolerant of robbery?  Surely you are
>> aware
>> that robbery is not a crime, but merely the perpetrator's expression of
>> his
>> distaste for capitalism and his support of wealth redistribution.  And of
>> course, expression is protected under the constitution, so as repulsive 
>> as
>> we may find robbery, we are using poor reasoning in calling for its
>> abolition.
>>
>> --T
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Bill London" <london at moscow.com>
>> To: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>; 
>> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>;
>> <thansen at moscow.com>; <joekc at adelphia.net>; <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom, kick a flag--burner's ass!
>>
>>
>>> The crucial difference is that the rainbow flag was first stolen, then
>>> trashed.  The issue was not free speech, but robbery.
>>> BL
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
>>> To: <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>; <thansen at moscow.com>;
>>> <joekc at adelphia.net>; <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>>> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 8:53 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom, kick a flag--burner's ass!
>>>
>>>
>>>> Donovan,
>>>>
>>>> Wasn't that flag thrown in the trash can and not burned? I remember the
>>> flag
>>>> still in tact when I saw it.
>>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>>>> >To: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>, "'Joe Campbell'"
>>> <joekc at adelphia.net>,
>>>> >        "'Tony Simpson'" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>>>> >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom, kick a flag--burner's 
>>>> >ass!
>>>> >Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:53:56 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> >
>>>> >Tom,
>>>> >
>>>> >  If someone burns a flag of a country, nation or group of  people,  I
>>>> >consider it an act of aggression and/or  ill will  towards those
>>>> >people.
>>> I
>>>> >responded that way when several of my  senatorial colleagues in ASUI
>>> burned
>>>> >the Gay Straight Alliance Flag--as  did many others.
>>>> >
>>>> >  If someone protests against a war or  action of the US within the US
>>> they
>>>> >can do so without burning a flag,  spitting on US Soldiers, or
>>>> >destroying
>>>> >public or private property.
>>>> >
>>>> >   So yes, I think someone that burns a US Flag should be watched more
>>>> >carefully, and I think they are people that are disrespecting the
>>>> >United
>>>> >States and all the people in it. I consider an attack on a US  Naval
>>>> >ROTC
>>>> >Building an attack on the US--especially one that my Dad was 
>>>> >attending
>>>> >during the 60s.
>>>> >
>>>> >   Best,
>>>> >
>>>> >   _DJA
>>>> >
>>>> >Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:              v\:*
>>>> >{behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:*
>>>> >{behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
>>>> >     st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }                    Arnold
>>>> >stated:
>>>> >
>>>> >     "It is easier to find those that  hate and wish real harm to the
>>>> >United    States if you allow them to burn a flag."
>>>> >
>>>> >     Are you suggesting that all those students  and anti-war
>>>> > protestors
>>>> >during Vietnam  hated and wished real harm to the United States,
>>>> >Arnold?
>>>> >
>>>> >     Campuses (just to name a few) at:
>>>> >
>>>> >     University of Virginia
>>>> >
>>>> >     University of California at Berkeley
>>>> >
>>>> >     Kent State University
>>>> >
>>>> >     UNIVERSITY OF IDAHO
>>>> >     (Be careful here, Arnold.  My wife attended UI during the late
>>>> > 60's.
>>>> >Yes.  There were  major demonstrations which included (on one occasion
>>>> >burning a US  flag and an attempt to burn down the Navy ROTC building)
>>>> >
>>>> >     Thoughts?
>>>> >
>>>> >     Tom Hansen
>>>> >
>>>> >             ********************************************
>>>> >
>>>> >   "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"
>>>> >
>>>> >   - Thomas Jefferson
>>>> >
>>>> >   ********************************************
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >---------------------------------
>>>> >
>>>> >     From:  vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>>>> >[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
>>>> >   Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 2:26  PM
>>>> >   To: Joe Campbell; Tony Simpson
>>>> >   Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> >   Subject: Re: [Vision2020]  Celebrate freedom, kick a flag--burner's
>>> ass!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >     "I think that the question of whether flag burning is or is not
>>>> >speech
>>>> >   is not so  clear." Joe Campbell
>>>> >
>>>> >   Isn't it  that every American Flag eventually gets burned?
>>>> >
>>>> >   A flag is  speech, that is all it is, how you burn it and for what
>>>> >reasons I think
>>>> >   speaks  volumes.
>>>> >
>>>> >   It is easier  to find those that hate and wish real harm to the
>>>> >   United States if you allow them to  burn a flag.
>>>> >
>>>> >   Best,
>>>> >
>>>> >   _DJA
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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