[Vision2020] Inconvenient Truth -- What WE REALLY HAVE TO DO

[Tony Simpson]

Donovan!  I have a solution to this problem of overpopulation.

Post-natal abortion!  A government agency, staffed by Bush appointees, could canvass the population for nonvital citizens who would then be dispensed with.

There's HOPE!!

Solving the world's problems,   -Tony
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Donovan Arnold 
  To: Nils Peterson ; vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Inconvenient Truth -- What WE REALLY HAVE TO DO


  I don't think eating lettuce and carrot sticks is going to save the environment, no matter how many you eat and everyone else. The only way to do it is to raise the price of gasoline and reduce the human population. If the world raises the price of gasoline to $7.50 a gallon over the next 5 years it would force everyone economically to switch to an alternative form of fuel that would be better on the Earth, maybe even reverse the effects.

  The second, is to maintain the human population. The Earth cannot sustain 12 billion people for very long, it just cannot--even if they just eat tofu, cabbage and sprouts. The current birth rate of the world it will shortly be 12 billion. There is only three ways to stop overpopulation; mass murder, mass sterilization and abortion, or economic enforcement. I prefer economic enforcement. Making it so expensive to raise a child so that only 1.8 children per fertile woman are born, or zero population growth, is the way to go. Many Western countries are going this route already.  China uses law enforcement and forced abortion to control their population--I don't want to go that route.

  You guys are thinking so small, so tiny. It doesn't help save the earth even a day to do these tiny things. If the Earth's environment is going to be saved, it has to be on a HUGE scale, all over the world, and people will have to be forced to do it by economic necessity. Trying to do it politically, socially, educating, or choosing one by one to change and start caring for the world--it ain't gonna happen that way folks. Think BIG for a BIG Problem. 

  Best,

  _DJA

  Nils Peterson <nils_peterson at wsu.edu> wrote:
    I'm not too surprised that there was not an outpouring of personal actions
    to my previous question -- I'm about immobilized by the challenge as well.

    Carbon neutral is an interesting concept, but knowing if something is carbon
    neutral is hard, and, given that most things include a transportation
    element, its going to be hard to be neutral.

    Megan's veggie idea, as subsequently modified by other suggestions is one
    that resonates for me -- eat lower on the carbon input chain, which means
    eat local. That's something I can work on.

    SO now, I want to move the discussion out a level, what are WE, as Moscow,
    gonna do?

    I got a piece of good news last night, PCEI has converted a vehicle to
    bio-diesel and they are talking about how to work with other fleets in town
    to convert them, and have a local bio-diesel supply. I know a couple other
    bio-diesel drivers around already and having a supply closer than Lewiston
    would be welcome news to them.

    The COOP gives a discount for getting there by foot. One of the businesses
    in Alturas Park (Anatech maybe?) gives employees a financial incentive per
    mile that they travel to work by foot power. WSU & UI run a bus between the
    campuses and its free to students and employees (but UI almost cut the
    service this summer -- sad statement on their green commitment)

    What else can we, in whatever collective groups, begin doing?

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