[Vision2020] Inconvenient Truth -- What WE REALLY HAVE TO DO

[Donovan Arnold]

Tony,
  
  The problem here is, the prime candidates to be post-birth aborted is Bush and his appointees. 
  
  But just to be clear, Bush has dedicated a good deal of his political  life to eliminating citizens of the world--Just not the right ones. 
  
  Best,
  
  _DJA

Tony Simpson <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote:              Donovan!  I have a solution to this problem of   overpopulation.
   
  Post-natal  abortion!  A government agency, staffed by Bush appointees, could  canvass the population for nonvital citizens who would then be  dispensed with.
   
  There's HOPE!!
   
  Solving the world's problems,     -Tony
      ----- Original Message ----- 
    From:     Donovan Arnold 
    To: Nils Peterson ; vision2020 at moscow.com 
    Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:18     AM
    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Inconvenient     Truth -- What WE REALLY HAVE TO DO
    

I  don't think eating lettuce and carrot sticks is going to save the  environment, no matter how many you eat and everyone else. The only way  to do it is to raise the price of gasoline and reduce the human  population. If the world raises the price of gasoline to $7.50 a gallon  over the next 5 years it would force everyone economically to switch to  an alternative form of fuel that would be better on the Earth, maybe  even reverse the effects.

The second, is to maintain the human  population. The Earth cannot sustain 12 billion people for very long,  it just cannot--even if they just eat tofu, cabbage and sprouts. The  current birth rate of the world it will shortly be 12 billion. There is  only three ways to stop overpopulation; mass murder, mass sterilization  and abortion, or economic enforcement. I prefer economic enforcement.  Making it so expensive to raise a child so that only 1.8 children per  fertile woman are born, or zero population growth, is the way to go.  Many Western countries are going this route already.  China uses  law enforcement and forced abortion to control their population--I  don't want to go that route.

You guys are thinking so small, so  tiny. It doesn't help save the earth even a day to do these tiny  things. If the Earth's environment is going to be saved, it has to be  on a HUGE scale, all over the world, and people will have to be forced  to do it by economic     necessity.  Trying to do it politically, socially, educating, or choosing one by  one to change and start caring for the world--it ain't gonna happen  that way folks. Think BIG for a BIG Problem. 

Best,

_DJA

Nils Peterson     <nils_peterson at wsu.edu> wrote:    I'm       not too surprised that there was not an outpouring of personal actions
to       my previous question -- I'm about immobilized by the challenge as       well.

Carbon neutral is an interesting concept, but knowing if       something is carbon
neutral is hard, and, given that most things include       a transportation
element, its going to be hard to be       neutral.

Megan's veggie idea, as subsequently modified by other       suggestions is one
that resonates for me -- eat lower on the carbon input       chain, which means
eat local. That's something I can work on.

SO       now, I want to move the discussion out a level, what are WE, as       Moscow,
gonna do?

I got a piece of good news last night, PCEI has       converted a vehicle to
bio-diesel and they are talking about how to work       with other fleets in town
to convert them, and have a local bio-diesel       supply. I know a couple other
bio-diesel drivers around already and       having a supply closer than Lewiston
would be welcome news to       them.

The COOP gives a discount for getting there by foot. One of the       businesses
in Alturas Park (Anatech maybe?) gives employees a financial       incentive per
mile that they travel to work by foot power. WSU & UI       run a bus between the
campuses and its free to students and employees       (but UI almost cut the
service this summer -- sad statement on their       green commitment)

What else can we, in whatever collective groups,       begin       doing?

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