[Vision2020] Celebrate freedom
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Mon Aug 21 20:45:11 PDT 2006
The kick is up and away, it flys to the uprights and,
and....................IT MAKES IT THROUGH!!!!
The game is over; the winner is - AMERICA the FREE and the BEAUTIFUL.
J :]
>From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
>To: "Tony Simpson" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom
>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:01:15 -0700
>
>On 8/21/06, Tony Simpson <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote:
> > Sunil,
> >
> > No, you are not going to be allowed to change the subject. Address my
>point
> > about the difference between license and freedom.
>
>Sunil is a busy attorney, and (I hear) gets no lunch breaks. He spends
>sixteen-hour days in the justice-mines, extracting jurisprudence from
>the soil with the sweat of his very brow. I am on lunch break, and
>only pretend to be an attorney. So, let me fill in for him.
>
>You mentioned, earlier, that license, in terms of free speech, was
>behavior akin to "yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater." I assume this
>to mean that burning a flag poses some actual, credible threat to
>someone else. Whom? Would this be conspiracy? Incitement to riot? You
>tell me, Tony.
>
>In this vein, Tony, let me point out a few things. You feel you have
>the right to levy random accusations of treason, which has a very
>specific definition which, I might note, none of the people you're
>accusing meet. You feel you have the right to advocate the assault of
>people behaving lawfully. You feel you have the right to make open
>threats against people who disagree with your political ideology.
>
>You do, in fact, have those rights, though -- certainly -- you are on
>tenuous ground. In addition, if you so choose, you have the right to
>wave a swastika flag in Friendship Square, and march around Lewiston
>in jackboots and red suspenders, and hang a painting of yourself nude
>and smeared in bat guano in your living room. You have the right to
>light an American flag on fire with a copy of the Constitution while
>yelling obscenities about the President, if you like. These rights
>that you have? They annoy the ever-loving shit out of me, but I
>understand the reasons that you should have them.
>
>But let's be honest, Tony. You don't care about sophisticated legal
>theories, or about freedom, democracy, or even, really, about the
>flag. You just care about grinding your boot in the face of whomever
>punctures the bubble of bluster and self-delusion that surrounds them
>at all times. Why demand answers when, really, you're only looking to
>bully someone much, much smarter than you?
>
>-- ACS
>
> > Standing in opposition to double talking lawyers, --Tony
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom
> >
> >
> > > Tony says,
> > >
> > > 'Sunil favors protecting the licentious actions of morons...'
> > >
> > > That's right, I defend your right to spout drivel, and you celebrate
>that
> > > right by continuing to do so.
> > >
> > > How on earth could your marriage be devalued if gays were allowed to
> > > marry?
> > > Please explain.
> > >
> > > Sunil
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: "Tony Simpson" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
> > >>To: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> > >>CC: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom
> > >>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:31:52 -0700
> > >>
> > >>Sunil favors protecting the licentious actions of morons and is unable
>to
> > >>distinguish them from legitimate free expression. How'd he EVER pass
>the
> > >>bar??
> > >>
> > >>--Tony
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>"The only thing necessary for the triumph of dumb--ass liberal ideas
>is
> > >>for
> > >>clear thinking Americans to do nothing." --Tony Simpson
> > >>
> > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Sunil Ramalingam"
> > >><sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> > >>Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > >>Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 7:49 AM
> > >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Tony favors retaining the right to free expression to those who share
> > >>>opinions approved of by him and other statists.
> > >>>
> > >>>Sunil
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
> > >>>>To: <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> > >>>>CC: Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom, kick a
>flag--burner's
> > >>>>ass!
> > >>>>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 07:04:05 -0700
> > >>>>
> > >>>>This line is what makes your arguments hollow Tony.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>"Those who consistently favor state control verses local autonomy
>and
> > >>>>freedom, are enemies."
> > >>>>
> > >>>>How can you advocate all the controls to be placed upon the
>citizenry
> > >>>>(no
> > >>>>flags will be burned, no gays will be wed, no women will have
>abortion
> > >>>>etc...) and yet claim to be for freedom. I think you are your own
>worst
> > >>>>enemy. You come across as a mean spirited crass individual who only
> > >>>>wishes
> > >>>>to lord his will over others.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Forget it buddy, keep your controlling ideas away from me.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>James
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> > From: tonytime at clearwire.net> To: kjajmix1 at msn.com> Date: Mon, 21
>Aug
> > >>>>2006 01:34:17 -0700> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com> Subject: Re:
> > >>>>[Vision2020]
> > >>>>Celebrate freedom, kick a flag--burner's ass!> > Yes Keely, you
>might
> > >>>>support my right to free speech, as it is acknowledged > within the
>Bill
> > >>>>of
> > >>>>Rights. That is nice and all, but irrelevant. Flag > burning is
>not
> > >>>>speech. It is thoughtless and ungrateful acting out, as I >
>correctly
> > >>>>noted in my original post.> > Those who consistently support
>policies
> > >>>>which
> > >>>>would favor America's enemies > are enemies as well. Those who
> > >>>>consistently favor state control verses > local autonomy and
>freedom,
> > >>>>are
> > >>>>enemies. Those who wish to disarm peaceful > citizens, leaving them
>and
> > >>>>their families vulnerable to state tyranny or > civilian crime, are
> > >>>>enemies. Those who advocate the premeditated murder of > the most
> > >>>>helpless
> > >>>>among us, are enemies. Those who feel the government is > justified
>in
> > >>>>taking from one American the fruits of his production, and > giving
>it
> > >>>>to
> > >>>>another who chooses not to produce, are enemies.> > They of course
>would
> > >>>>prefer not to be regarded as such. Indeed, they may > actually
>regard
> > >>>>themselves as patriots, but the fact remains that their > behavior
> > >>>>speaks
> > >>>>for itself. Irrelevant apples and oranges comparisons >
> > >>>>notwithstanding.>
> > >>>> >
> > >>>>Still fed up with America's domestic enemies, -Tony> > > > > > > >
> > >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > > > --Tony> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "keely
>emerinemix"
> > >>>><kjajmix1 at msn.com>> To: <tonytime at clearwire.net>;
><london at moscow.com>>
> > >>>>Cc:
> > >>>><vision2020 at moscow.com>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 8:05 PM>
>Subject:
> > >>>>Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom, kick a flag--burner's ass!> > >
> >
> > >>>>Because "subversive hippie" Bill London is my friend, and because
>Tony >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>>considers him, me, and others like us to be America's "domestic
>enemies"
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > when we defend the rights of people to do things that are
> > >>>> > offensive --
> > >>>> > > such as "desecrating" a flag, as Bill put it -- I feel
>compelled to
> > >>>>note > > that when we find Tony's speech to be sickening,
>vituperative,
> > >>>>destructive > > and nasty, we still defend his right to say it.> >>
> >
> > >>>>Which, I can't help but think, is a good indicator of one's loyalty
>to
> > >>>>the
> > >>>> > > principles of the Constitution guiding one's nation. Kinda not
>an
> > >>>>enemy > > position in my mind.> >> > keely> >> >> > From: "Tony
>Simpson"
> > >>>><tonytime at clearwire.net>> > To: "Bill London" <london at moscow.com>> >
>CC:
> > >>>>vision2020 at moscow.com> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate
>freedom,
> > >>>>kick
> > >>>>a flag--burner's ass!> > Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:28:33 -0700> >> >
> > >>>>Leave
> > >>>>it to a subversive Hippie like Bill London to praise those who
>would> >
> > >>>>burn the American flag. Pathetic and loathsome. Flower child
>London >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>>says,> > "If I chose to desecrate a flag by burning it in an open
> > >>>>place....
> > >>>>so > > what?> > That is free speech."> >> > What pure, unadulterated
> > >>>>horseshit! There is no speech involved in such a> > juvenile,
> > >>>>thoughtless,
> > >>>>ungrateful and snotnosed activity. It is> > unpatriotic, typically
> > >>>>liberal
> > >>>>acting out. If that is free speech, Billy> > Boy, then it would be
>free
> > >>>>speech for me to walk up to said burner and > > bury> > my boot a
>foot
> > >>>>up
> > >>>>his terrorist--enabling ass!> >> > Sick to death of America's
>domestic
> > >>>>enemies, --TONY> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: "Bill
>London"
> > >>>><london at moscow.com>> > To: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>;
> > >>>><kerrybecker6924 at hotmail.com>;> > <sslund at adelphia.net>;
> > >>>><vision2020 at moscow.com>> > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 10:13 AM> >
> > >>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> >> >> > >
>Since
> > >>>>you
> > >>>>asked.....> > > a few of my reasons why I think a Constitutional
> > >>>>amendment
> > >>>>against> > > desecrating the flag is stupid....> > > 1. what is the
> > >>>>problem? how many descrated flags are there?> > > 2. if I own the
>flag
> > >>>>and
> > >>>>choose to desecrate it by burning it in an open> > > place that will
>not
> > >>>>cause a general fire, so what? That is free speech.> > > The flag
>is a
> > >>>>symbol, and burning it is Constitutionally-protected.> > > 3. what
>is
> > >>>>desecration? wearing a flag on the butt of your jeans?> > >
>wrapping> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>>your used car in flags to sell it at a used car lot? getting a
>tattoo >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > of> > > flag upside down? Boy Scouts burning old flags?> > > BL>
> >
> > >>>> > >>
> > >>>> > >
> > >>>> >> > >> > >> > > ----- Original Message -----> > > From: "Matt
>Decker"
> > >>>><mattd2107 at hotmail.com>> > > To: <london at moscow.com>;
> > >>>><kerrybecker6924 at hotmail.com>;> > > <sslund at adelphia.net>;
> > >>>><vision2020 at moscow.com>> > > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:21
>PM> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> > >> > >> >
> >>
> > >>>>Mr.
> > >>>>London,> > >>> > >> And just as they should. Why shouldn't the
>congress
> > >>>>take one day out of> > >> their schedule in order to make flag
>burning
> > >>>>an
> > >>>>offense? If they focus> > on> > >> baseball why not on the flag?> >
> >>>
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >> Matt> > >>> > >>> > >> >From: "Bill London" <london at moscow.com>>
> >
> > >>>> >> >>
> > >>>> >To: "kerry becker" <kerrybecker6924 at hotmail.com>,> >
> > >>>><sslund at adelphia.net>,> > >> > <vision2020 at moscow.com>> > >>
> > >>>> >Subject:
> > >>>>Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> > >> >Date: Thu, 17
>Aug
> > >>>>2006
> > >>>>12:33:43 -0700> > >> >> > >> >Yes, it is true that Chicago has (for
>the
> > >>>>reasons Ms. Lund has> > > enumerated)> > >> >banned foie gras,
>because
> > >>>>of
> > >>>>the disgusting and inhumane way the birds> > > are> > >> >force-fed
>to
> > >>>>create these inflated livers. Chicago has not banned > > >> >duck>
> > >>
> > >>>> >liver, only foie gras.> > >> >And as for the reason, it's all a
> > >>>>question
> > >>>>of values, as the> > Republicans> > >> >say every year when they try
>to
> > >>>>amend the US Constitution to end the> > >> >non-existant problem of
> > >>>>people
> > >>>>burning US flags.> > >> >BL> > >> > ----- Original Message ----->
> > >>
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> From: kerry becker> > >> > To: sslund at adelphia.net ;
> > >>>>vision2020 at moscow.com> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006
>4:56
> > >>>>PM>
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> > >>
> >>
> > >>>> >> > >
> > >>>> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > This is absurd. The
> > >>>> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > city
> > >>>>of Chicago has taken the time to ban duck> > >> >liver?? - Meanwhile
>the
> > >>>>inner city runs rampant with crime, poverty > > >> >and> > >>
> >drugs.
> > >>>>Odd
> > >>>>really.> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>> >
> > >>>>
> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------->
> > >>>> > > -> > >> >> > >> > From: "Saundra Lund"
><sslund at adelphia.net>>
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> >> > To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>> > >> > Subject: Re:
> > >>>>[Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> > >> > Date: Wed, 16
>Aug
> > >>>>2006 15:38:46 -0700> > >> > >Visionaries:> > >> > >> > >> >
> > >>>> >I
> > >>>>have debated and debated about whether to post this or not, > > >> >
> > >>>>but>
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > I'd> > >> >hate> > >> > >for an unsuspecting person to go to
>West
> > >>>> > of
> > >>>>Paris only to be> > >> >horrified.> > >> > >> > >> > >I was
> > >>>>deeply
> > >>>>disappointed to see that West of Paris will be> > >> > selling> > >>
> > >>>> >foie>
> > >>>> > >> > >gras:> > >> >
> > >>>> >http://www.westofparis.com/dinner_menu.html> > >> > >For that
> > >>>>reason
> > >>>>alone, I will refuse to patronize the business,> > no> > >> >matter>
> >
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >how delicious other menu items look or sound -- it's a matter
>of>
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >> >ethics for> > >> > >me.> > >> > >> > >> > >The
>process
> > >>>>used to make foie gras is animal cruelty, pure and> > > simple> > >>
> >
> > >>>>:-(((> > >> > >Fifteen nations (including the UK, the Czech
> > >>>>Republic,
> > >>>>Denmark,> > >> >Finland,> > >> > >Germany, Luxembourg, Norway,
> > >>>>Poland,
> > >>>>Sweden, Switzerland, and> > > Israel> > >> >--> > >> > >formerly
>the
> > >>>>fourth largest producer in the world) have banned> > >>
> >force-feeding>
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >> > >birds for foie gras production. The City of Chicago has
> >> >
> > >>>>banned>
> > >>>> > >> > the> > >> >sale of> > >> > >foie gras, and Philadelphia
>is
> > >>>>likely to follow. Beginning > > >> > 2012,> > > the> > >> >
> > >>>> >production and sale of foie gras from force-fed birds will be> > >
> > >>>>banned> > >> >in the> > >> > >State of California.> > >> >
> >> >
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> > >I won't go into the horrifying and graphic details of how
>foie>
> > >>>> > >
> > >>>> >> > gras> > >> >is> > >> > >produced, but for those who want
>to >>
> > >>>> > learn
> > >>>>more, you can check> > out:> > >> >
> > >>>> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foie_gras> > >> > >You can also
> > >>>> >Google
> > >>>>it, but WARNING: there's a lot of deeply> > >> >disturbing> > >> >
> > >>>> >(although accurate) information and photos you'll find.> > >> >
> >>
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >> > >Very disappointing that foie gras will be sold in *any*
> > >>>>Moscow>
> > >>>> > >> >restaurant> > >> > >:-(((> > >> > >> > >> > >> >
> >> >
> > >>>> >JMNSHO,> > >> > >Saundra Lund> > >> > >Moscow, ID> > >> >
> >>
> > >>>> > >> > >The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for
> > >>>>good>
> > >>>> > >> > people> > >> >to do> > >> > >nothing.> > >> > >-
>Edmund
> > >>>>Burke> > >> > >> > >> > >***** Original material contained
> > >>>>herein
> > >>>>is Copyright 2006,> > >> > Saundra> > >> >Lund.> > >> > >Do not
> > >>>>copy,
> > >>>>forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision> > >> > 2020> > >>
> > >>>> >forum> > >> > >without the express written permission of the
> > >>>>author.*****> > >> > >> > >> > >-----Original Message----->
> > >>
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com> > >>
> > >>>> >[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]> > >> > >On Behalf Of
> > >>>> >Daniel
> > >>>>Foucachon> > >> > >Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:59 PM> > >> >
> > >>>> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com> > >> > >Subject: [Vision2020] West
>of
> > >>>>Paris, Grand Opening> > >> > >> > >> > > West of > > >> >
> > >>>>Paris<http://www.westofparis.com/images/west_paris.gif>> > >> >
> > >>>> >Grand
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