[Vision2020] Jesus did NOT say it

[Ralph Nielsen]

Doug, it seems you can't respond to what Nick Gier or I said about  
your claims, so you try to change the subject. It seems to be a tacit  
agreement with what we said. I'm glad you accept our "gospel."

Ralph


On Aug 16, 2006, at 2:34 PM, heirdoug at netscape.net wrote:

> Mr. Nielsen,
>
> I'm not ducking or running I'm asking you an honest question. What  
> is the Gospel that you preach? Is it the same Gospel that Paul  
> preached or something else?
>
> lemeno, Doug (not Jones) Farris
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at uidaho.edu>
> To: Vision2020 at moscow.com
> Cc: Doug Jones <heirdoug at netscape.net>; Nick Gier <ngier at uidaho.edu>
> Sent: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:29:16 -0700
> Subject: Jesus did NOT say it
>
> Ralph Nielsen to Heirdoug:
>
> The "Word" in John 1:1 (Greek Logos, pronounced Log-os, not Low- 
> gos) is a term borrowed from earlier Jewish and Greek theological  
> speculation. It is in no way a demonstrable fact. It originally  
> meant Wisdom, i.e., the Wisdom of God, but the author of John  
> borrowed it to make it apply to his Jesus. The other three gospels  
> do not use this word with this meaning.
>
> The "all scripture" referred to in 2 Tim. 3:16, indeed in the  
> entire New Testament, except possibly in 2 Peter 2:15 (2 Peter is  
> well known to be a forgery), can only be the Hebrew Scriptures. It  
> cannot possibly be anything in the New Testament because most of it  
> had not even been written in the time of Paul. (Some scholars think  
> 2 Timothy is also a forgery.) The theological musings of the  
> "princess" are not the least bit helpful to us.
>
> Colossians 2:3 is simply a borrowing from the aforementioned Jewish- 
> Hellenistic philosophy, which is then applied to Paul's Jesus.
>
> To this day Christians do not agree on how many books there are  
> supposed to be in the Bible. So Sushitushi's 66 books is  
> speculation. In the time of Paul and the gospel writers the only  
> scriptures considered "canonical" were the first five books of the  
> Hebrew Bible, called the Torah. Some of the prophets were  
> considered to be especially inspired but there was no Hebrew canon  
> in NT days.
>
> To state that the entire Hebrew-Greek Bible constitutes the  
> "sayings of Jesus" is pure drivel.
>
> Heirdoug's reply to Ralph Nielsen:
>
> PS. What Gospel do you preach, Mr. Nielsen?
>
> Ralph Nielsen again:
>
> This kind of retort is typical of how the fundamentalist usually  
> responds when he can't find anything wrong with what has been said.  
> He ducks and runs away.
>
>