[Vision2020] Jesus did NOT say it

[heirdoug at netscape.net]

Mr. Nielsen,

I'm not ducking or running I'm asking you an honest question. What is 
the Gospel that you preach? Is it the same Gospel that Paul preached or 
something else?

lemeno, Doug (not Jones) Farris



-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at uidaho.edu>
To: Vision2020 at moscow.com
Cc: Doug Jones <heirdoug at netscape.net>; Nick Gier <ngier at uidaho.edu>
Sent: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:29:16 -0700
Subject: Jesus did NOT say it

Ralph Nielsen to Heirdoug: 
 
The "Word" in John 1:1 (Greek Logos, pronounced Log-os, not Low-gos) is 
a term borrowed from earlier Jewish and Greek theological speculation. 
It is in no way a demonstrable fact. It originally meant Wisdom, i.e., 
the Wisdom of God, but the author of John borrowed it to make it apply 
to his Jesus. The other three gospels do not use this word with this 
meaning. 
 
The "all scripture" referred to in 2 Tim. 3:16, indeed in the entire 
New Testament, except possibly in 2 Peter 2:15 (2 Peter is well known 
to be a forgery), can only be the Hebrew Scriptures. It cannot possibly 
be anything in the New Testament because most of it had not even been 
written in the time of Paul. (Some scholars think 2 Timothy is also a 
forgery.) The theological musings of the "princess" are not the least 
bit helpful to us. 
 
Colossians 2:3 is simply a borrowing from the aforementioned 
Jewish-Hellenistic philosophy, which is then applied to Paul's Jesus. 
 
To this day Christians do not agree on how many books there are 
supposed to be in the Bible. So Sushitushi's 66 books is speculation. 
In the time of Paul and the gospel writers the only scriptures 
considered "canonical" were the first five books of the Hebrew Bible, 
called the Torah. Some of the prophets were considered to be especially 
inspired but there was no Hebrew canon in NT days. 
 
To state that the entire Hebrew-Greek Bible constitutes the "sayings of 
Jesus" is pure drivel. 
 
Heirdoug's reply to Ralph Nielsen: 
 
PS. What Gospel do you preach, Mr. Nielsen? 
 
Ralph Nielsen again: 
 
This kind of retort is typical of how the fundamentalist usually 
responds when he can't find anything wrong with what has been said. He 
ducks and runs away.