[Vision2020] Jesus did NOT say it

[Ralph Nielsen]

Ralph Nielsen to Heirdoug:

The "Word" in John 1:1 (Greek Logos, pronounced Log-os, not Low-gos)  
is a term borrowed from earlier Jewish and Greek theological  
speculation. It is in no way a demonstrable fact. It originally meant  
Wisdom, i.e., the Wisdom of God, but the author of John borrowed it  
to make it  apply to his Jesus. The other three gospels do not use  
this word with this meaning.

The "all scripture" referred to in 2 Tim. 3:16, indeed in the entire  
New Testament, except possibly in 2 Peter 2:15 (2 Peter is well known  
to be a forgery), can only be the Hebrew Scriptures. It cannot  
possibly be anything in the New Testament because most of it had not  
even been written in the time of Paul. (Some scholars think 2 Timothy  
is also a forgery.) The theological musings of the "princess" are not  
the least bit helpful to us.

Colossians 2:3 is simply a borrowing from the aforementioned Jewish- 
Hellenistic philosophy, which is then applied to Paul's Jesus.

To this day Christians do not agree on how many books there are  
supposed to be in the Bible. So Sushitushi's 66 books is speculation.  
In the time of Paul and the gospel writers the only scriptures  
considered "canonical" were the first five books of the Hebrew Bible,  
called the Torah. Some of the prophets were considered to be  
especially inspired but there was no Hebrew canon in NT days.

To state that the entire Hebrew-Greek Bible constitutes the "sayings  
of Jesus" is pure drivel.

Heirdoug's reply to Ralph Nielsen:

PS. What Gospel do you preach, Mr. Nielsen?

Ralph Nielsen again:

This kind of retort is typical of how the fundamentalist usually  
responds when he can't find anything wrong with what has been said.  
He ducks and runs away.