[Vision2020] Minimum wage
debismith at moscow.com
debismith at moscow.com
Fri Aug 11 06:54:34 PDT 2006
Donovan, once again (as numerous times in the past), you have gone too far. Please review
your posts prior to hitting the send key. Each time you overstep the bounds of decency in this
forum (or any other) you increase the number of people who think you have stepped out into
crazy land and will never find your way back.
Each time you get steamed at someone who disagrees with you, you make up lies about
them, try to embarrass them, report them to someone who just doesn't care, start nasty
rumours, and continue to up the ante until it's all too clear you are out of control.
Whatever the problems and troubles you are experiencing, history of wrongs done to you, and
feelings of persecution you may have, vicious attacks on others are not solving your issues.
Please, for your own sake and reputation (what's left of it), stop for a while and get a grip.
Really wishing you better than you are giving yourself,
Debi Robinson-Smith
Date sent: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:01:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
To: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>,
"'Sunil Ramalingam'" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>,
vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Minimum wage
Tom Hansen writes:
"I can honestly state that Sunil Ramalingam DOES NOT restrict his services to terrorists
and/or enemies of the United States."
"RESTRICT". You are stating than that he does lend his services to terrorists and enemies
of the state? Oh course I wasn't talking about Sunil's professionalism as a lawyer, I was
talking about his behavior on Vision2020. Perhaps if you have built a lifetime buddy
relationship with Sunil you should not be on a jury where he is a lawyer on the case.
Sunil, seems as though even your "defenders" are admitting as much. Also, yes I am a
simpleton. Unfortunately, not all of us can be lawyers, most of us "dumb asses" or
"simpletons" as you refer to us, have to have jobs that produce something positive in society.
I am also happy that you are able to have a conversation and not be a smart ass to someone
you know that doesn't hate Mr. Wilson ( I only hope this person wasn't someone that named
Jackie, because she isn't pro-Wilson.) That must be a big step for you. Congratulations!
I Wish the Best for You,
_DJA
PS. Hansen, I cannot believe you were unable to get out of jury duty four times. Just say you
think the guy is GUILTY cause you saw the whole thing. It works everytime. : )
PSS Hansen, don't write back saying how you wanted to serve because you thought it was
your patriotic duty, blah blah blah, etc.
Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:*
{behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape
{behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } I am
only going to say this once, Arnold. So, print out this email and have somebody read it to
you, ok?
After having been subpoenaed for jury duty several times in the past 4 to 5 years, I can
honestly state that Sunil Ramalingam DOES NOT restrict his services to terrorists and/or
enemies of the United States.
I further challenge you, Arnold, to present evidence of this libelous claim of yours.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an
attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, a
drink in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What
a ride!'"
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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On
Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 11:59 AM
To: Sunil Ramalingam; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Minimum wage
Sunil,
It is not farcical. I use "Best", because that is what I mean. I wish you the best. I just don't
understand why you defend people that are terrorists. I also understand what Dan was doing, I
don't think you did. There was a double meaning in the simile, both Ellen and Carl pointed it
out for those that didn't, sorry you missed it. Even if he didn't intend that, he attacked me
personally three times prior to that. This has been going on for years. You anti-Wilson who
think you are liberals, attack and attack anyone that doesn't hate Doug Wilson, when they
respond back, you act as they they started the verbal bullying. Every time someone attacks
you Sunil, or you think someone is, you respond in kind, yet you condemn same reaction in
others, explain why you do that, Sunil? It is confusing to me. A word you should look up is
bullying.
Best,
_DJA
Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
Donovan,
Why do you use the farcical 'Best' after one of your ridiculous posts?
You're such an ass. Wait, I insulted asses everywhere. Who will defend
them?
Best,
Sunil
PS Are you mad because I didn't call Dan a meanie for calling you a wall?
Or was he using a simile? Do you need to take time off from one of your
jobs to look those up?
>From: Donovan Arnold
>To: Sunil Ramalingam , vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Minimum wage
>Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:09:52 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Well Sunil, we know it cannot be you that defends me because I am not a
>terrorist and sworn enemy to the people of the United States and that
>seems to be the only people you have been willing to defend.
>
> Best,
>
> _DJA
>
>Sunil Ramalingam wrote: Oh great, now
>someone's going to have to defend him. Dan, stop calling him
>a pig, you big meanie.
>
>There.
>
>Sunil
>
> >From: "keely emerinemix"
> >To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, privatejf32 at hotmail.com,
> >vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Minimum wage
> >Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:28:13 -0700
> >
> >Gee, I think we've hit a new low here.
> >
> >keely
> >
> >
> >From: Donovan Arnold
> >To: J Ford
>, vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Minimum wage
> >Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:38:19 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Well Jackie,
> >
> > FYI, I have three jobs. How many do you have? I bet you don't have one
> >and collect a government check or someone else is supporting you. I
>don't
> >have time to be vandalizing people's property, harassing bookstore
>owners,
> >launching frivolous lawsuits against the school district, and inundating
> >the police and city officials with vindictive filings against what my
> >neighbors are doing. How do you make a living Jackie, because we sure do
> >know you are not stable enough to maintain a regular job, much less make
> >enough to feed two people.
> >
> > Second, I have been to a couple school board meeting. You were at one
>of
> >them, sitting there yelling at the top you lungs at Phil Roderick for
> >having an opinion different then yours, and mysteriously, his property
>was
> >vandalized too.
> >
> > Third, so you ask how MSD could save money, one of the best ways for
>the
> >MSD and Moscow to save money would be to drop you off on an island
> >somewhere, or ship you back to Alaska, so we don't have to hire so many
> >city employees, pay frivolous lawsuits, repair damages to our property,
> >and pay more in insurance premiums.
> >
> > That would be good start.
> >
> >
> >"Pastor Wilson, the Church of Christ is the absolute example of what a
>cult
> >is NOT.
> >There is NO brainwashing, there is NO physical/pyschological abuse.
> >There is NO condemnation of the soul if someone choses to leave.
> >There is NO part of Christ Church which worships anyone else but God and
> >HIS word.
> >The Church of Christ AND Pastor Wilson do answer to people outside of our
> >town and community.
> >A cult answers only to itself." Jackie Woolf Thu, 11 Dec 2003
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > _DJA
> >
> >
> >J Ford
> wrote: Dictate to us...em, sorry -
> >ENLIGHTEN us as to how you feel the MSD is
> >wasting money on the children? Just where should the budget be cut?
> >
> >Sounds to me you are verra familiar with the affects of an illegal
> >substance; howbeit, since you have NEVER made it to a committee or School
> >Board meeting, please - spread your light this-a-way and let the city
>know
> >what plan you think would work and just how would it be paid for? And
>just
> >how would you, who apparently has all knowledge, propose to get the
> >community to accept anything you come up with any more readily than the
> >plans MSD has proposed?
> >
> >Since most of the jobs in any given city/town/state is private or
>privately
> >corporate, what other sector should be providing jobs? Not everyone can
>be
> >a "professional student" receiving loans and grants to make it through
> >life,
> >so please let us know what other sector is out there to provide jobs that
> >hasnae.
> >
> >And while you're in a mood of explainging things - what the living lights
> >is
> >a "pot smoking circle"?
> >
> >
> >
> >J ;|
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Donovan Arnold
> > >To: Tom Ivie , keely emerinemix ,
> > > gweitz at moscow.com, ringoshirl at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Minimum wage
> > >Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 07:09:32 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Tom,
> > >
> > > You can pay for it by getting the MSD to stop wasting money in our
> > >current school system. Second, they can get the private sector to help
> >out
> > >in many job fields. A company wants nothing more than a bunch of
>highly
> > >trained workers straight out of school. Third, if the MSD would come
>up
> > >with a proposal that didn't sound like something contrived during a
>high
> > >school pot smoking circle they might be able gain community support.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > _DJA
> > >
> > >Tom Ivie wrote: How do you pay for that when we
> > >can't even pass bonds for buildings and the state has to step in to
>fund
> > >that?
> > >
> > >Donovan Arnold wrote: . . ."under Donovan's
> > >plan, parents will have tons more free time --
> > >what with being excused from the kinds of things most of us signed up
>for
> > >as
> > >parents -- and will then form roaming street gangs or start smoking or
> > >having sex."-- Keely Mix
> > >
> > >
> > >Keely,
> > >
> > >I know you are the expert on education being on the school board and
> >all.
> > >But, as I understand it, all parents have already been having sex.
> > >
> > >_DJA
> > >
> > >keely emerinemix wrote: Of course, under Donovan's
> > >plan, parents will have tons more free time --
> > >what with being excused from the kinds of things most of us signed up
> >for
> > >as
> > >parents -- and will then form roaming street gangs or start smoking or
> > >having sex.
> > >
> > >keely
> > >
> > >
> > >From: Donovan Arnold
> > >To: Jerry Weitz , Shirley Ringo ,
> > >vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Minimum wage
> > >Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:55:21 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Jerry,
> > >
> > >I agree with you 100% regarding the workforce training. The school
>system
> > >needs to start kids one year earlier, let them out one year later ,and
> >use
> > >those two extra years to train youth a job skill, good work ethic, how
>to
> > >search for and find a job, keep a job, and advance in that field.
> > >
> > >They also need to teach youth how to do taxes, be a responsible member
>of
> > >the community, build social skills, know first aid and establish
>healthy
> > >eating habits, and all about how credit and debit works.
> > >
> > >In other words, schools need to teach youth the things they are going
>to
> > >need to know about living in modern society and doing well. So many
> >things
> > >you learn in school today seem pointless when you get out and never use
> >it.
> > >You also find yourself hurting in other areas when you are expected to
> >know
> > >how to do something in life but nobody ever taught you.
> > >
> > >Thanks for your email.
> > >
> > >Best,
> > >
> > >_DJA
> > >
> > >Jerry Weitz wrote:
> > >Raising the minimum wage from $5.15 to $6.15 will not help in real
> > >inflation-adjusted buying power--it is too small of an increase. So
>let’s
> > >discuss the fundamentals. As Virginia’s former Democratic governor Mark
> > >Warner’s track record illustrates, skills training in our high schools
> > >would help increase wages for Idaho’s workforce and encourage more
>jobs.
> > >With the push for community colleges in the urban areas of Idaho, I
> >believe
> > >that our local high schools could become the rural equivalent of
> > >community
> > >college. This would cost money and would require a willingness to
>change
> > >the current high school structure.
> > >
> > >The state legislature’s current focus on shifting school funding from
> > >property taxes to the sales tax (the current maintenance and operations
> > >debate) misses the point. Instead of focusing on ways to shift funds, I
> > >would urge consideration for increased funding for the
> >creation/maintenance
> > >of skills centers in local high schools. Rather than seeking a balanced
> > >taxation approach, the Idaho Education Association has promoted a tax
> >shift
> > >to the sales tax, which sends a confusing message.
> > >
> > >When one examines France, with a high minimum wage, a large
> > >under-skilled/inexperienced segment of its youth, guaranteed employment
> > >contracts, unbending unionization, top down regulations, etc., one
> >observes
> > >high unemployment, a high cost of living, and extreme social unrest.
> > >
> > >What works: 1) create/maintain superior education for both the
> > >college-bound and the non-college-bound, 2) invest in infrastructure,
>3)
> >be
> > >friendly to business, 4) be environmentally wise, and 5) do this
>without
> > >going deeply into debt, which requires prioritization. Ireland has
> > >followed the above policies with exceptional success. We should follow
> >the
> > >lead of former governor Warner and Virginia’s Republican legislature
>and
> > >make these policies non-partisan. From what I’ve learned, Larry Grant,
> >our
> > >district’s Democratic candidate for Congress, seems to understand this
> > >non-partisan, middle of the road approach.
> > >
> > >Jerry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 11:11 AM 8/7/06, Shirley Ringo wrote:
> > >Visionaries:
> > >
> > >
> > >I cannot resist the urge to weigh in on the minimum wage issue. I
> > >proposed legislation during the most recent legislative session to
>raise
> > >the minimum wage to $6.15. It received very little support from
> > >Republicans. (Our District 6 Republicans did support it, and
> > >Representative Trail will co-sponsor the effort with us again next
>year.)
> > >
> > >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
> > >
> > >We plan to try again next year, at an amount above $6.15.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Without getting into the usual arguments, it’s unacceptable to have a
> > >minimum wage that leaves those paid at that level in cruel poverty.
> > >Lawmakers have neglected maintenance on minimum wage levels. In 1968,
>the
> > >minimum wage meant something positive to families. In
>inflation-adjusted
> > >dollars, it has lost nearly 40% of its value between 1968 and now.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >According to polling, the vast majority of Americans believe the
>minimum
> > >wage should be higher. I believe eighteen states have a minimum wage
> > >higher than the $5.15 federal level, which has not been raised since
> >1997.
> > >Some of these states have used the initiative process to get results,
> >where
> > >state legislators would not act on it. In some of these states, there
> >has
> > >been significant help from Republican leaders.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Many claims of negative consequences do not seem to be true. One of the
> > >claims is that jobs will be lost. In the majority of states that have
> > >raised the minimum wage, there has in fact been an increase in jobs.
>(We
> > >can’t claim the wage increase caused more jobs, but the decrease some
> > >predicted didn’t happen.) An increase in employee productivity and less
> > >absenteeism was reported where the pay level increased.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On the inflation issue, "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
> > >/>Florida reported after
> > >raising their minimum wage a very minor increase in some prices. Since
>a
> > >relatively small percent of the employed receive minimum wage, one
>might
> > >not expect a dramatic increase in prices. (We can expect a “ripple
> >effect”
> > >though, where employers will raise wages to be more competitive.) One
> >year
> > >ago in Idaho, according to the Department of Commerce and Labor,
>32,000
> > >Idahoans received a wage between $5.15 and $6.15 per hour. While Idaho
> > >State Government employee pay is entirely too low, almost none of them
> > >receive pay as low as $5.15 per hour. I don’t consider it an undisputed
> > >fact that there will be significant inflation, but we can certainly
>study
> > >the issue in the states that have raised the minimum wage.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Workers who receive minimum wage live from paycheck to paycheck. (If
> > >they can make it stretch.) They have no discretionary money. What are
> > >they to do when their taxes go up? Just more water in the gravy, I
>guess.
> > >At the minimum wage, it takes more than one full day to earn the money
>to
> > >buy fifteen gallons of gasoline.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >While I continue to study the issue, I am convinced that some of the
> > >negative consequences of raising the minimum wage are over-stated. I am
> > >also steadfast in my belief that it is unacceptable to value people
>and
> > >families so little that we allow such a low level of compensation for
> >their
> > >efforts and to address their needs.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Shirley
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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