[Vision2020] Minimum wage

Thu Aug 10 13:01:42 PDT 2006

Tom Hansen writes:

  "I can honestly state that Sunil  Ramalingam DOES NOT restrict his services to terrorists and/or enemies of the United States."

  "RESTRICT".  You are stating  than that he does lend his services to terrorists  and enemies of the state? Oh course I wasn't talking about Sunil's  professionalism as a lawyer, I was talking about his behavior on  Vision2020. Perhaps if you have built a lifetime buddy relationship  with Sunil you should not be on a jury where he is a lawyer on the  case. 

 Sunil, seems as though even your "defenders" are  admitting as much. Also, yes I am a simpleton. Unfortunately, not all  of us can be lawyers, most of us "dumb asses" or "simpletons" as you  refer to us, have to have jobs that produce something positive in  society. I am also happy that you are able to have a conversation and  not be a smart ass to someone you know that doesn't hate Mr. Wilson ( I  only hope this person wasn't someone that named Jackie, because she  isn't pro-Wilson.) That must be a big step for you. Congratulations! 

  I Wish the Best for You,

  _DJA

  PS. Hansen, I cannot believe you were unable to get out of jury duty  four times. Just say you think the guy is GUILTY cause you saw the  whole thing. It works everytime. : )

 PSS Hansen, don't write  back saying how you wanted to serve because you thought it was your  patriotic duty, blah blah blah, etc. 

Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:              v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}                st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }                    I am only going to say this once, Arnold.  So, print out  this email and have somebody read it to you, ok?

    After  having been subpoenaed for jury duty several times in the past 4 to 5  years, I can honestly state that Sunil Ramalingam DOES NOT restrict his  services to terrorists and/or enemies of the United States.

    I further challenge you, Arnold, to  present evidence of this libelous claim of yours.

    Tom Hansen
    Moscow, Idaho

        "Life  should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving  safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in  sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body thoroughly  used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a ride!'"

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    From:  vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
  Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006  11:59 AM
  To: Sunil Ramalingam;  vision2020 at moscow.com
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Minimum  wage

    Sunil,

  It is not farcical. I  use "Best", because that is what I mean. I  wish you the best. I just don't understand why you defend people that  are terrorists. I also understand what Dan was doing, I don't think you  did. There was a double meaning in the simile, both Ellen and Carl  pointed it out for those that didn't, sorry you missed it. Even if he  didn't intend that, he attacked me personally three times prior to  that. This has been going on for years. You anti-Wilson who think you  are liberals, attack and attack anyone that doesn't hate Doug Wilson,  when they respond back, you act as they they started the verbal  bullying. Every time someone attacks you Sunil, or you think someone  is, you respond in kind, yet you condemn same reaction in others,  explain why you do that, Sunil? It is confusing to me. A word you  should look up is bullying. 

  Best,

  _DJA

  Sunil Ramalingam  <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
    Donovan,

  Why do you use the farcical 'Best' after one of your ridiculous posts?

  You're such an ass. Wait, I insulted asses everywhere. Who will defend 
  them?

  Best,

  Sunil

  PS Are you mad because I didn't call Dan a meanie for calling you a wall? 
  Or was he using a simile? Do you need to take time off from one of your 
  jobs to look those up?

  >From: Donovan Arnold 
  >To: Sunil Ramalingam ,  vision2020 at moscow.com
  >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Minimum wage
  >Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:09:52 -0700 (PDT)
  >
  >Well Sunil, we know it cannot be you that defends me because I am not a 
  >terrorist and sworn enemy to the people of the United States and that 
  >seems to be the only people you have been willing to defend.
  >
  > Best,
  >
  > _DJA
  >
  >Sunil Ramalingam wrote: Oh great, now 
  >someone's going to have to defend him. Dan, stop calling him
  >a pig, you big meanie.
  >
  >There.
  >
  >Sunil
  >
  > >From: "keely emerinemix"
  > >To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, privatejf32 at hotmail.com,
  > >vision2020 at moscow.com
  > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Minimum wage
  > >Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:28:13 -0700
  > >
  > >Gee, I think we've hit a new low here.
  > >
  > >keely
  > >
  > >
  > >From: Donovan Arnold
  > >To: J Ford
  >, vision2020 at moscow.com
  > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Minimum wage
  > >Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:38:19 -0700 (PDT)
  > >
  > >Well Jackie,
  > >
  > > FYI, I have three jobs. How many do you have? I bet you don't have  one
  > >and collect a government check or someone else is supporting you. I 
  >don't
  > >have time to be vandalizing people's property, harassing bookstore 
  >owners,
  > >launching frivolous lawsuits against the school district, and  inundating
  > >the police and city officials with vindictive filings against what my
  > >neighbors are doing. How do you make a living Jackie, because we sure  do
  > >know you are not stable enough to maintain a regular job, much less  make
  > >enough to feed two people.
  > >
  > > Second, I have been to a couple school board meeting. You were at one  
  >of
  > >them, sitting there yelling at the top you lungs at Phil Roderick for
  > >having an opinion different then yours, and mysteriously, his property  
  >was
  > >vandalized too.
  > >
  > > Third, so you ask how MSD could save money, one of the best ways for 
  >the
  > >MSD and Moscow  to save money would be to drop you off on an island
  > >somewhere, or ship you back to Alaska,  so we don't have to hire so many
  > >city employees, pay frivolous lawsuits, repair damages to our  property,
  > >and pay more in insurance premiums.
  > >
  > > That would be good start.
  > >
  > >
  > >"Pastor Wilson, the Church   of Christ is the absolute  example of what a 
  >cult
  > >is NOT.
  > >There is NO brainwashing, there is NO physical/pyschological abuse.
  > >There is NO condemnation of the soul if someone choses to leave.
  > >There is NO part of Christ   Church which worships  anyone else but God and
  > >HIS word.
  > >The Church   of Christ AND Pastor  Wilson do answer to people outside of our
  > >town and community.
  > >A cult answers only to itself." Jackie Woolf Thu, 11 Dec 2003
  > >
  > > Best,
  > >
  > > _DJA
  > >
  > >
  > >J Ford
  > wrote: Dictate to us...em, sorry -
  > >ENLIGHTEN us as to how you feel the MSD is
  > >wasting money on the children? Just where should the budget be cut?
  > >
  > >Sounds to me you are verra familiar with the affects of an illegal
  > >substance; howbeit, since you have NEVER made it to a committee or  School
  > >Board meeting, please - spread your light this-a-way and let the city 
  >know
  > >what plan you think would work and just how would it be paid for? And 
  >just
  > >how would you, who apparently has all knowledge, propose to get the
  > >community to accept anything you come up with any more readily than  the
  > >plans MSD has proposed?
  > >
  > >Since most of the jobs in any given city/town/state is private or 
  >privately
  > >corporate, what other sector should be providing jobs? Not everyone  can 
  >be
  > >a "professional student" receiving loans and grants to make  it through
  > >life,
  > >so please let us know what other sector is out there to provide jobs  that
  > >hasnae.
  > >
  > >And while you're in a mood of explainging things - what the living  lights
  > >is
  > >a "pot smoking circle"?
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >J ;|
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > >From: Donovan Arnold
  > > >To: Tom Ivie , keely emerinemix ,
  > > > gweitz at moscow.com, ringoshirl at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
  > > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Minimum wage
  > > >Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 07:09:32 -0700 (PDT)
  > > >
  > > >Tom,
  > > >
  > > > You can pay for it by getting the MSD to stop wasting money in  our
  > > >current school system. Second, they can get the private sector to  help
  > >out
  > > >in many job fields. A company wants nothing more than a bunch of 
  >highly
  > > >trained workers straight out of school. Third, if the MSD would  come 
  >up
  > > >with a proposal that didn't sound like something contrived during  a 
  >high
  > > >school pot smoking circle they might be able gain community  support.
  > > >
  > > > Best,
  > > >
  > > > _DJA
  > > >
  > > >Tom Ivie wrote: How do you pay for that when we
  > > >can't even pass bonds for buildings and the state has to step in  to 
  >fund
  > > >that?
  > > >
  > > >Donovan Arnold wrote: . . ."under Donovan's
  > > >plan, parents will have tons more free time --
  > > >what with being excused from the kinds of things most of us  signed up 
  >for
  > > >as
  > > >parents -- and will then form roaming street gangs or start  smoking or
  > > >having sex."-- Keely Mix
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >Keely,
  > > >
  > > >I know you are the expert on education being on the school board  and
  > >all.
  > > >But, as I understand it, all parents have already been having  sex.
  > > >
  > > >_DJA
  > > >
  > > >keely emerinemix wrote: Of course, under Donovan's
  > > >plan, parents will have tons more free time --
  > > >what with being excused from the kinds of things most of us  signed up
  > >for
  > > >as
  > > >parents -- and will then form roaming street gangs or start  smoking or
  > > >having sex.
  > > >
  > > >keely
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >From: Donovan Arnold
  > > >To: Jerry Weitz , Shirley Ringo ,
  > > >vision2020 at moscow.com
  > > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Minimum wage
  > > >Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:55:21 -0700 (PDT)
  > > >
  > > >Jerry,
  > > >
  > > >I agree with you 100% regarding the workforce training. The  school 
  >system
  > > >needs to start kids one year earlier, let them out one year later  ,and
  > >use
  > > >those two extra years to train youth a job skill, good work  ethic, how 
  >to
  > > >search for and find a job, keep a job, and advance in that field.
  > > >
  > > >They also need to teach youth how to do taxes, be a responsible  member 
  >of
  > > >the community, build social skills, know first aid and establish 
  >healthy
  > > >eating habits, and all about how credit and debit works.
  > > >
  > > >In other words, schools need to teach youth the things they are  going 
  >to
  > > >need to know about living in modern society and doing well. So  many
  > >things
  > > >you learn in school today seem pointless when you get out and  never use
  > >it.
  > > >You also find yourself hurting in other areas when you are  expected to
  > >know
  > > >how to do something in life but nobody ever taught you.
  > > >
  > > >Thanks for your email.
  > > >
  > > >Best,
  > > >
  > > >_DJA
  > > >
  > > >Jerry Weitz wrote:
  > > >Raising the minimum wage from $5.15 to $6.15 will not help in  real
  > > >inflation-adjusted buying power--it is too small of an increase.  So 
  >let’s
  > > >discuss the fundamentals. As Virginia’s former Democratic governor  Mark
  > > >Warner’s track record illustrates, skills training in our  high schools
  > > >would help increase wages for Idaho’s workforce and encourage more 
  >jobs.
  > > >With the push for community colleges in the urban areas of Idaho, I
  > >believe
  > > >that our local high schools could become the rural equivalent of
  > > >community
  > > >college. This would cost money and would require a willingness to  
  >change
  > > >the current high school structure.
  > > >
  > > >The state legislature’s current focus on shifting school  funding from
  > > >property taxes to the sales tax (the current maintenance and  operations
  > > >debate) misses the point. Instead of focusing on ways to shift  funds, I
  > > >would urge consideration for increased funding for the
  > >creation/maintenance
  > > >of skills centers in local high schools. Rather than seeking a  balanced
  > > >taxation approach, the Idaho Education Association has promoted a  tax
  > >shift
  > > >to the sales tax, which sends a confusing message.
  > > >
  > > >When one examines France,  with a high minimum wage, a large
  > > >under-skilled/inexperienced segment of its youth, guaranteed  employment
  > > >contracts, unbending unionization, top down regulations, etc.,  one
  > >observes
  > > >high unemployment, a high cost of living, and extreme social  unrest.
  > > >
  > > >What works: 1) create/maintain superior education for both the
  > > >college-bound and the non-college-bound, 2) invest in  infrastructure, 
  >3)
  > >be
  > > >friendly to business, 4) be environmentally wise, and 5) do this 
  >without
  > > >going deeply into debt, which requires prioritization. Ireland has
  > > >followed the above policies with exceptional success. We should  follow
  > >the
  > > >lead of former governor Warner and Virginia’s Republican legislature 
  >and
  > > >make these policies non-partisan. From what I’ve learned,  Larry Grant,
  > >our
  > > >district’s Democratic candidate for Congress, seems to understand  this
  > > >non-partisan, middle of the road approach.
  > > >
  > > >Jerry
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >At 11:11 AM 8/7/06, Shirley Ringo wrote:
  > > >Visionaries:
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >I cannot resist the urge to weigh in on the minimum wage issue. I
  > > >proposed legislation during the most recent legislative session  to 
  >raise
  > > >the minimum wage to $6.15. It received very little support from
  > > >Republicans. (Our District 6 Republicans did support it, and
  > > >Representative Trail will co-sponsor the effort with us again  next 
  >year.)
  > > >
  > > >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
  > > >
  > > >We plan to try again next year, at an amount above $6.15.
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >Without getting into the usual arguments, it’s unacceptable  to have a
  > > >minimum wage that leaves those paid at that level in cruel  poverty.
  > > >Lawmakers have neglected maintenance on minimum wage levels. In  1968, 
  >the
  > > >minimum wage meant something positive to families. In 
  >inflation-adjusted
  > > >dollars, it has lost nearly 40% of its value between 1968 and  now.
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >According to polling, the vast majority of Americans believe the 
  >minimum
  > > >wage should be higher. I believe eighteen states have a minimum  wage
  > > >higher than the $5.15 federal level, which has not been raised  since
  > >1997.
  > > >Some of these states have used the initiative process to get  results,
  > >where
  > > >state legislators would not act on it. In some of these states,  there
  > >has
  > > >been significant help from Republican leaders.
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >Many claims of negative consequences do not seem to be true. One  of the
  > > >claims is that jobs will be lost. In the majority of states that  have
  > > >raised the minimum wage, there has in fact been an increase in  jobs. 
  >(We
  > > >can’t claim the wage increase caused more jobs, but the  decrease some
  > > >predicted didn’t happen.) An increase in employee  productivity and less
  > > >absenteeism was reported where the pay level increased.
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >On the inflation issue, "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
  > > >/>Florida  reported after
  > > >raising their minimum wage a very minor increase in some prices.  Since 
  >a
  > > >relatively small percent of the employed receive minimum wage,  one 
  >might
  > > >not expect a dramatic increase in prices. (We can expect a  “ripple
  > >effect”
  > > >though, where employers will raise wages to be more competitive.)  One
  > >year
  > > >ago in Idaho,  according to the Department of Commerce and Labor, 
  >32,000
  > > >Idahoans received a wage between $5.15 and $6.15 per hour. While Idaho
  > > >State Government employee pay is entirely too low, almost none of  them
  > > >receive pay as low as $5.15 per hour. I don’t consider it  an undisputed
  > > >fact that there will be significant inflation, but we can  certainly 
  >study
  > > >the issue in the states that have raised the minimum wage.
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >Workers who receive minimum wage live from paycheck to paycheck.  (If
  > > >they can make it stretch.) They have no discretionary money. What  are
  > > >they to do when their taxes go up? Just more water in the gravy,  I 
  >guess.
  > > >At the minimum wage, it takes more than one full day to earn the  money 
  >to
  > > >buy fifteen gallons of gasoline.
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >While I continue to study the issue, I am convinced that some of  the
  > > >negative consequences of raising the minimum wage are  over-stated. I am
  > > >also steadfast in my belief that it is unacceptable to value  people 
  >and
  > > >families so little that we allow such a low level of compensation  for
  > >their
  > > >efforts and to address their needs.
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >Shirley
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
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