[Vision2020] alternative routes

Fri Aug 4 00:58:45 PDT 2006

"I believe that what Dan was rightfully complaining about was the 
increased traffic caused by a bunch of "not-out-of-high-school-mode" brats that 
zip in and out of residential areas in loud obnoxious un-mufflered cars, who 
also like to blast their music, party-hearty, be up to all hours of the 
night, with little-to-no regard for the people in the neighborhood." Jackie Woolf

Well Jackie, if that were the case maybe he should have complained about that
instead of protesting a Daycare for disabled children moving into where those rowdy
College "brats" were living. If he wanted them gone, supporting the daycare would have been
the fastest way because that is house where they resided.

If he is complaining about the traffic, why is he attacking me for complaining about the
traffic? Would seem rather hypocritical don't you think?

I also wonder how I can live right near Dan for 5 years and not notice the
same traffic problems he does on that street? I did notice the rowdy boys
living next door to him, and cheered when they left, and was pleased at the prospect of
a Daycare being there instead, I though it would improve the neighborhood.

And for the record, there is NO PARKING problem on the 300 south block of Cleveland. That
is a BS reason to oppose the daycare. I invite anyone to come down and check out that 
block and tell me they cannot find a parking spot, not to mention Dan has his own driveway.

Maybe Jackie can sneak onto Dan's Property and take a picture from his front yard.

I don't think your reasoning holds with the facts, Jackie. 

Another way to solve this, just go get the BOA meeting minutes, yeah? 

Best,

_DJA

J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com> wrote:  Do you deliberately look for things to hate or ways to malign what people 
have said?

I believe that what Dan was rightfully complaining about was the increased 
traffic caused by a bunch of "not-out-of-high-school-mode" brats that zip in 
and out of residential areas in loud obnoxious un-mufflered cars, who also 
like to blast their music, party-hearty, be up to all hours of the night, 
with little-to-no regard for the people in the neighborhood.  He never once 
mentioned the traffic of the wee special bairns that are being taken in/out 
of the day care facility that is run during the day as being anything more 
than increased but something he could live with for now.

Mayhap you need to take more of those long walks you are so fond of boasting 
about - clean out the cob webs a wee bit more.

And please not that Dan SPECIFICALLY stated he was not calling you a pig.  
Sheesh!

J  :]

>From: Donovan Arnold 
>To: Dan Carscallen , vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] alternative routes
>Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:54:57 -0700 (PDT)
>
>"I took issue with what would be increased traffic right next door to  me. 
>It was a valid concern, as traffic has increased."--Dan Carscallen
>
>   Dan,
>
>   So your original complaint to the City is NOW not all the disabled 
>children getting  access to a daycare, but the TRAFFIC of  15 kids being 
>picked up and dropped off? So much a complaint that you  went down to the 
>BOA meeting to launch a complaint with another  neighbor about it and tried 
>to stop it, (even prepared a speech) not  caring about weather the disabled 
>children had another location  available to them. Too many disabled kids 
>doubling your traffic "RUSH 1  minute" as you say, Dan?
>
>  Yet you are barking at me for  complaining about having to turn my 1.5 
>mile trips to 3 mile trips,  which nearly doubles my gas bill which is hard 
>on a guy living below  the poverty line? How ironic Dan. The world does 
>really revolve around  you.
>
>  Look Dan, here comes another political horse, better get  on it because 
>another election is coming soon. If you lose AGAIN, get  together with 
>Wayne Fox and WHINE about it being a big government  conspiracy that rigged 
>the ballots by not lining up the butterfly  ballots to the right name, I 
>will even throw in a new box of color  crayons so Wayne can write his 
>conspiracy on paper with as much life  and color as his emails.
>
>   Your Favorite Pig,
>
>
>Arnold
>
>
>
>
>Dan Carscallen  wrote:  Donovan says:
>".  .  . others, such as yourself, like to complain about disabled
>children moving in next door to you and lowering your property value as
>you testified to the City Council and tried to get them barred from our
>neighborhood."
>
>
>I'm not sure I want to go down this road, because when you wrestle with
>a pig, you both just get dirty, and it just makes the pig happy, but
>let's get a few things straight so the Vizzz peeps know what went down:
>
>1) It wasn't the City Council, it was the Board of Adjustment.
>
>2)I had no issue with property values, I took issue with what would be
>increased traffic right next door to me.  It was a valid concern, as
>traffic has increased.  The house was being rented by a decent bunch of
>college students at the time (finally!), but now there are several
>people making several trips a day, and employees not exactly following
>the parking conditions.  Pretty minor, but I can live with it.
>
>3) After they CUP was granted, I figured "fine, I'll live with it."  I
>had my say, and the Board of Adjustment went the other way.  I was a
>little disappointed at what I saw as some "sore winners" cheering the
>decision.  Not exactly cool, in my opinion.  But no matter, I was going
>to live with it.
>
>4) Since the CUP was issued to make a daycare out of the house, the
>renters got kicked out.  We thought that was okay, since we wouldn't
>have to listen to any more parties late at night.  Then we found out we
>were wrong.  Somehow, in a blatant violation of the CUP, there were all
>the sudden four new renters in that house, raising hell and wreaking
>havoc on the toys and such that are there for the kids.  It seemed VERY
>inappropriate for 4 college age renters to be living in a house that was
>being used as a daycare.  I brought this up with the Community
>Development dept, but they were completely bogged down with every other
>complaint in town.  I thank them, though, for at least acknowledging my
>concerns.  The renters were supposed to be out in January, but they did
>not leave until school let out.  Again, I lived with it.
>
>5) Now, it seems that ownership of the house has changed hands, and
>things seem to be settling into a groove.  Traffic is still more than
>I'd like, but tolerable, and some of the parking conditions are still
>not being met, but we'll hash all that out when they go in for the
>renewal of their CUP.
>
>Sorry for being long-winded, but I just couldn't let this go without
>defending myself to some extent.  Besides, I did wrestle in high school,
>so I think I can take a pig.  Of course, none of this is near as
>dramatic and inflammatory as saying "Dan Carscallen hates the disabled".
>
>By the way, I think I'm going to take my chances and walk downtown to
>the farmer's market this weekend,
>
>DC
>
>P.S.  Donovan, I'm not referring to you as a pig.  I'm using what is
>called a colloquialism.  Or maybe it's a metaphor.  I'll have to look it
>up.
>
>
>
>
>
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