[Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
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Wed Apr 26 18:15:31 PDT 2006
Doesn't Sherwin have something to do with paint?
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> Does the name "Sherwin" mean anything?
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> Tom Hansen
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>>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>>To: idahotom at hotmail.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
>>Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:45:06 -0700
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>>Hey, if this guy is from Lewiston, why is his ISP from Moscow? I smell
>>and Ed/rv/Dick in the mix here...what'da think?
>>
>>J :]
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>>>Joan,
>>>
>>>What difference does it make if I know you or not? And, I looked through
>>>several translations of the Bible before answering you. That's why I did
>>>not answer until now, even though you wrote this rubbish on the 22nd. I
>>>also used several different reference materials to research this and
>>>spoke with the pastor of my church about it. I believe I understand this
>>>passage fairly well.
>>>
>>>Your need to justify your sexual preference is obviously overriding your
>>>good sense. I don't read Greek, or Coptic, or Aramic. Do you? Your
>>>liberal ranting and rattling on with supposed academic prowess is
>>>irrelevent anyway. This passage is clear in its meaning if taken in the
>>>context in which it is contained.
>>>
>>>Do you actually believe that, despite all the cites in the Bible
>>>condeming homosexuality, this one slightly suggestive (at least to you)
>>>cite justifies your sin? You need to get a life if you do. I personally
>>>do not care what you believe, I only wish to set the record straight to
>>>others that you are dead wrong in you perverted translation.
>>>
>>>Play all the word games you wish, it will not change the fact that you
>>>only wish there was a passage, any passage, anywhere in the Bible to
>>>justify your lifestyle. Your desperate need is reaveled in your own
>>>words: Sorry........... "Now, tell me exactly how it is that you
>>>know what David and Jonathan got up to when the lights were out? Were you
>>>a fly on the wall?"
>>>
>>>I have no idea what you are talking about as for messing around with you
>>>name. Is that another problem you have?
>>>
>>>I don't care about your ethnic background, that does not make you an
>>>expert on anything as far as I am concerned. Of what relevance is it in
>>>this discussion anyway? And you can group me with whomever you please as
>>>an excuse to diminish me in your own mind but I don't know these people
>>>you refer too.
>>>
>>>Get off the intellectual supueriority band wagon. You are not impressing
>>>anyone with it anyway.
>>>
>>>Dick
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Joan Opyr
>>> To: rvrcowboy
>>> Cc: Vision2020
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 26, 2006, at 1:17 PM, rvrcowboy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Ed is forgetting, of course, that "the soul of Jonathan was bound to
>>> the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. Then Jonathan
>>> made a covenant with David, because he loved him as his own soul." 1
>>> Samuel 18. So much for Bathsheba. Uriah the Hittite bit the dust for
>>> nothing.
>>>
>>> Joan Opyr 4/22/2006
>>>
>>>
>>> What is Joan trying to make us believe here? That David and
>>> Jonathan engaged in homosexual activities with each other? That is
>>> crazy, but then again, who should be surprised at that from Joan?
>>>
>>>
>>> Do I know you Dick? Have we ever met? I don't think so. Unless, of
>>> course, we've sat down next to one another at Effie's and dined side by
>>> side on giant burgers without knowing it. Could be . . .
>>>
>>> Now, tell me what you know about Biblical translation, or translation
>>> period? Do you read Coptic? Or Greek? How's your Aramaic? Which
>>> translation of the Bible do you use? Do you have a concordance? Do you
>>> use it? (Please bear in mind that a translation is not the same thing as
>>> a version.) Now, tell me exactly how it is that you know what David and
>>> Jonathan got up to when the lights were out? Were you a fly on the wall?
>>> That was what, 3,500 years ago? No wonder you're retired.
>>>
>>> What we do know about Jonathan's relationship with David is that,
>>> according to the "crazy" verse I cited, Jonathan loved David with a love
>>> surpassing, so much so that he bound his soul to David's. What do you
>>> call that kind of relationship? Just good friends?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This chapter and verse is taken completely out of context and has
>>> nothing to do with homosexual activity what-so-ever but with the bond
>>> between David and Jonathan (Saul's son) as friends. Joan has obviously
>>> never had a friend she trusted or loved with her soul. Or, perhaps, not
>>> one that she has not had sex with anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>> To offer up this text as evidence that homosexuality is accepted in
>>> the Bible is ludicrous and bordering on blasphemy. Talk about a stretch
>>> of the imagination.... WOW!
>>>
>>>
>>> Dick
>>>
>>>
>>> I take nothing out of context, Dick -- not this Biblical verse and not
>>> your crude assumptions about my friendships and my sex life. I am
>>> blessed in my family and my friendships, and I can name at least a dozen
>>> people in whom I trust completely. I've only "had sex" with one of them.
>>> As for evidence that homosexuality was accepted in the Bible, who said
>>> that's why I offered up this verse? I offered it to demonstrate that gay
>>> and lesbian relationships are a fact of life as old as time; that men
>>> have loved men and women have loved women for as long as there have been
>>> men and women. There are, I believe, 17 references to same-sex relations
>>> in the Bible. Most do condemn homosexuality. But the Bible also condemns
>>> the eating of shellfish and the wearing of blended fabrics, and it
>>> condones (among other things) murder, rape, and incest. Tell me what's
>>> uplifting and moral about the slaughter of the Amakelites or the story
>>> of Lot having sex with his daughters, and perhaps I'll listen to your
>>> ranting against same-sex marriage.
>>>
>>> You think way too much about gay sex, Dick -- and so do Doug Farris,
>>> Dale Courtney, and our little swan, Ed "Cooper." I can assure you that
>>> we gay folk think very little about your sex lives. We prefer to hold
>>> onto our lunches.
>>>
>>> Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
>>> www.joanopyr.com
>>>
>>> PS: Your ideas of blasphemy, Dick, do not correspond with Jewish
>>> tradition. The devout Jew is encouraged to l'hakshot, meaning the asking
>>> of probing, difficult questions. We are to take nothing at face value.
>>> Our religion requires a dialog with God -- a dialog that you'll find in
>>> the midrash, thousands of years of recorded commentary on the Hebrew
>>> scriptures. We Jews are not only allowed but expected to ask questions
>>> of God, and it is not blasphemy to question the scriptures. Far from it.
>>> It's fine to be a sheep; it's not so hot to be a lemming.
>>> PPS: I am of English, Welsh, Scottish and Ukrainian Jewish descent. My
>>> name is pronounced with a hard "j." I'll thank you to stop playing
>>> around with it. Honestly, if my name were Dick, I'd think twice before I
>>> messed with anyone else's moniker -- even if it were I. P. Freely.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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