[Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006

Mark Solomon msolomon at moscow.com
Wed Apr 26 18:11:42 PDT 2006


Dick Sherwin. Retired Potlatch employee (worked in the Power Boiler 
when I knew him), former Clarkston (I think) Port Commissioner.

Mark

At 5:54 PM -0700 4/26/06, Tom Hansen wrote:
>In addition to the message originating from Moscow, it originates 
>from a computer terminal ID of SHERWINHOME.
>
>Does the name "Sherwin" mean anything?
>
>Tom Hansen
>
>>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>>To: idahotom at hotmail.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
>>Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:45:06 -0700
>>
>>Hey, if this guy is from Lewiston, why is his ISP from Moscow?  I 
>>smell and Ed/rv/Dick in the mix here...what'da think?
>>
>>J  :]
>>
>>
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>>>Joan,
>>>
>>>What difference does it make if I know you or not?  And, I looked 
>>>through several translations of the Bible before answering you. 
>>>That's why I did not answer until now, even though you wrote this 
>>>rubbish on the 22nd.  I also used several different reference 
>>>materials to research this and spoke with the pastor of my church 
>>>about it.  I believe I understand this passage fairly well.
>>>
>>>Your need to justify your sexual preference is obviously 
>>>overriding your good sense.  I don't read Greek, or Coptic, or 
>>>Aramic.  Do you?  Your liberal ranting and rattling on with 
>>>supposed academic prowess is irrelevent anyway.  This passage is 
>>>clear in its meaning if taken in the context in which it is 
>>>contained.
>>>
>>>Do you actually believe that, despite all the cites in the Bible 
>>>condeming homosexuality, this one slightly suggestive (at least to 
>>>you) cite justifies your sin?  You need to get a life if you do. 
>>>I personally do not care what you believe, I only wish to set the 
>>>record straight to others that you are dead wrong in you perverted 
>>>translation.
>>>
>>>Play all the word games you wish, it will not change the fact that 
>>>you only wish there was a passage, any passage, anywhere in the 
>>>Bible to justify your lifestyle.  Your desperate need is reaveled 
>>>in your own words:       Sorry...........   "Now, tell me exactly 
>>>how it is that you know what David and Jonathan got up to when the 
>>>lights were out? Were you a fly on the wall?"
>>>
>>>I have no idea what you are talking about as for messing around 
>>>with you name.  Is that another problem you have?
>>>
>>>I don't care about your ethnic background, that does not make you 
>>>an expert on anything as far as I am concerned.  Of what relevance 
>>>is it in this discussion anyway?  And you can group me with 
>>>whomever you please as an excuse to diminish me in your own mind 
>>>but I don't know these people you refer too.
>>>
>>>Get off the intellectual supueriority band wagon.  You are not 
>>>impressing anyone with it anyway.
>>>
>>>Dick
>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>   From: Joan Opyr
>>>   To: rvrcowboy
>>>   Cc: Vision2020
>>>   Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:47 PM
>>>   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   On Apr 26, 2006, at 1:17 PM, rvrcowboy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>     Ed is forgetting, of course, that "the soul of Jonathan was 
>>>bound to the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own 
>>>soul. Then Jonathan made a covenant with David, because he loved 
>>>him as his own soul." 1 Samuel 18. So much for Bathsheba. Uriah 
>>>the Hittite bit the dust for nothing.
>>>
>>>     Joan Opyr  4/22/2006
>>>
>>>
>>>     What is Joan trying to make us believe here?  That David and 
>>>Jonathan engaged in homosexual activities with each other?  That 
>>>is crazy, but then again, who should be surprised at that from 
>>>Joan?
>>>
>>>
>>>   Do I know you Dick? Have we ever met? I don't think so. Unless, 
>>>of course, we've sat down next to one another at Effie's and dined 
>>>side by side on giant burgers without knowing it. Could be . . .
>>>
>>>   Now, tell me what you know about Biblical translation, or 
>>>translation period? Do you read Coptic? Or Greek? How's your 
>>>Aramaic? Which translation of the Bible do you use? Do you have a 
>>>concordance? Do you use it? (Please bear in mind that a 
>>>translation is not the same thing as a version.) Now, tell me 
>>>exactly how it is that you know what David and Jonathan got up to 
>>>when the lights were out? Were you a fly on the wall? That was 
>>>what, 3,500 years ago? No wonder you're retired.
>>>
>>>   What we do know about Jonathan's relationship with David is 
>>>that, according to the "crazy" verse I cited, Jonathan loved David 
>>>with a love surpassing, so much so that he bound his soul to 
>>>David's. What do you call that kind of relationship? Just good 
>>>friends?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     This chapter and verse is taken completely out of context and 
>>>has nothing to do with homosexual activity what-so-ever but with 
>>>the bond between David and Jonathan (Saul's son) as friends.  Joan 
>>>has obviously never had a friend she trusted or loved with her 
>>>soul.  Or, perhaps, not one that she has not had sex with anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>     To offer up this text as evidence that homosexuality is 
>>>accepted in the Bible is ludicrous and bordering on blasphemy. 
>>>Talk about a stretch of the imagination.... WOW!
>>>
>>>
>>>     Dick
>>>
>>>
>>>   I take nothing out of context, Dick -- not this Biblical verse 
>>>and not your crude assumptions about my friendships and my sex 
>>>life. I am blessed in my family and my friendships, and I can name 
>>>at least a dozen people in whom I trust completely. I've only "had 
>>>sex" with one of them. As for evidence that homosexuality was 
>>>accepted in the Bible, who said that's why I offered up this 
>>>verse? I offered it to demonstrate that gay and lesbian 
>>>relationships are a fact of life as old as time; that men have 
>>>loved men and women have loved women for as long as there have 
>>>been men and women. There are, I believe, 17 references to 
>>>same-sex relations in the Bible. Most do condemn homosexuality. 
>>>But the Bible also condemns the eating of shellfish and the 
>>>wearing of blended fabrics, and it condones (among other things) 
>>>murder, rape, and incest. Tell me what's uplifting and moral about 
>>>the slaughter of the Amakelites or the story of Lot having sex 
>>>with his daughters, and perhaps I'll listen to your ranting 
>>>against same-sex marriage.
>>>
>>>   You think way too much about gay sex, Dick -- and so do Doug 
>>>Farris, Dale Courtney, and our little swan, Ed "Cooper." I can 
>>>assure you that we gay folk think very little about your sex 
>>>lives. We prefer to hold onto our lunches.
>>>
>>>   Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
>>>   www.joanopyr.com
>>>
>>>   PS: Your ideas of blasphemy, Dick, do not correspond with Jewish 
>>>tradition. The devout Jew is encouraged to l'hakshot, meaning the 
>>>asking of probing, difficult questions. We are to take nothing at 
>>>face value. Our religion requires a dialog with God -- a dialog 
>>>that you'll find in the midrash, thousands of years of recorded 
>>>commentary on the Hebrew scriptures. We Jews are not only allowed 
>>>but expected to ask questions of God, and it is not blasphemy to 
>>>question the scriptures. Far from it. It's fine to be a sheep; 
>>>it's not so hot to be a lemming.
>>>   PPS: I am of English, Welsh, Scottish and Ukrainian Jewish 
>>>descent. My name is pronounced with a hard "j." I'll thank you to 
>>>stop playing around with it. Honestly, if my name were Dick, I'd 
>>>think twice before I messed with anyone else's moniker -- even if 
>>>it were I. P. Freely.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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