[Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
Mark Solomon
msolomon at moscow.com
Wed Apr 26 18:11:42 PDT 2006
Dick Sherwin. Retired Potlatch employee (worked in the Power Boiler
when I knew him), former Clarkston (I think) Port Commissioner.
Mark
At 5:54 PM -0700 4/26/06, Tom Hansen wrote:
>In addition to the message originating from Moscow, it originates
>from a computer terminal ID of SHERWINHOME.
>
>Does the name "Sherwin" mean anything?
>
>Tom Hansen
>
>>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>>To: idahotom at hotmail.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
>>Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:45:06 -0700
>>
>>Hey, if this guy is from Lewiston, why is his ISP from Moscow? I
>>smell and Ed/rv/Dick in the mix here...what'da think?
>>
>>J :]
>>
>>
>>
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>>>Joan,
>>>
>>>What difference does it make if I know you or not? And, I looked
>>>through several translations of the Bible before answering you.
>>>That's why I did not answer until now, even though you wrote this
>>>rubbish on the 22nd. I also used several different reference
>>>materials to research this and spoke with the pastor of my church
>>>about it. I believe I understand this passage fairly well.
>>>
>>>Your need to justify your sexual preference is obviously
>>>overriding your good sense. I don't read Greek, or Coptic, or
>>>Aramic. Do you? Your liberal ranting and rattling on with
>>>supposed academic prowess is irrelevent anyway. This passage is
>>>clear in its meaning if taken in the context in which it is
>>>contained.
>>>
>>>Do you actually believe that, despite all the cites in the Bible
>>>condeming homosexuality, this one slightly suggestive (at least to
>>>you) cite justifies your sin? You need to get a life if you do.
>>>I personally do not care what you believe, I only wish to set the
>>>record straight to others that you are dead wrong in you perverted
>>>translation.
>>>
>>>Play all the word games you wish, it will not change the fact that
>>>you only wish there was a passage, any passage, anywhere in the
>>>Bible to justify your lifestyle. Your desperate need is reaveled
>>>in your own words: Sorry........... "Now, tell me exactly
>>>how it is that you know what David and Jonathan got up to when the
>>>lights were out? Were you a fly on the wall?"
>>>
>>>I have no idea what you are talking about as for messing around
>>>with you name. Is that another problem you have?
>>>
>>>I don't care about your ethnic background, that does not make you
>>>an expert on anything as far as I am concerned. Of what relevance
>>>is it in this discussion anyway? And you can group me with
>>>whomever you please as an excuse to diminish me in your own mind
>>>but I don't know these people you refer too.
>>>
>>>Get off the intellectual supueriority band wagon. You are not
>>>impressing anyone with it anyway.
>>>
>>>Dick
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Joan Opyr
>>> To: rvrcowboy
>>> Cc: Vision2020
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 26, 2006, at 1:17 PM, rvrcowboy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Ed is forgetting, of course, that "the soul of Jonathan was
>>>bound to the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own
>>>soul. Then Jonathan made a covenant with David, because he loved
>>>him as his own soul." 1 Samuel 18. So much for Bathsheba. Uriah
>>>the Hittite bit the dust for nothing.
>>>
>>> Joan Opyr 4/22/2006
>>>
>>>
>>> What is Joan trying to make us believe here? That David and
>>>Jonathan engaged in homosexual activities with each other? That
>>>is crazy, but then again, who should be surprised at that from
>>>Joan?
>>>
>>>
>>> Do I know you Dick? Have we ever met? I don't think so. Unless,
>>>of course, we've sat down next to one another at Effie's and dined
>>>side by side on giant burgers without knowing it. Could be . . .
>>>
>>> Now, tell me what you know about Biblical translation, or
>>>translation period? Do you read Coptic? Or Greek? How's your
>>>Aramaic? Which translation of the Bible do you use? Do you have a
>>>concordance? Do you use it? (Please bear in mind that a
>>>translation is not the same thing as a version.) Now, tell me
>>>exactly how it is that you know what David and Jonathan got up to
>>>when the lights were out? Were you a fly on the wall? That was
>>>what, 3,500 years ago? No wonder you're retired.
>>>
>>> What we do know about Jonathan's relationship with David is
>>>that, according to the "crazy" verse I cited, Jonathan loved David
>>>with a love surpassing, so much so that he bound his soul to
>>>David's. What do you call that kind of relationship? Just good
>>>friends?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This chapter and verse is taken completely out of context and
>>>has nothing to do with homosexual activity what-so-ever but with
>>>the bond between David and Jonathan (Saul's son) as friends. Joan
>>>has obviously never had a friend she trusted or loved with her
>>>soul. Or, perhaps, not one that she has not had sex with anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>> To offer up this text as evidence that homosexuality is
>>>accepted in the Bible is ludicrous and bordering on blasphemy.
>>>Talk about a stretch of the imagination.... WOW!
>>>
>>>
>>> Dick
>>>
>>>
>>> I take nothing out of context, Dick -- not this Biblical verse
>>>and not your crude assumptions about my friendships and my sex
>>>life. I am blessed in my family and my friendships, and I can name
>>>at least a dozen people in whom I trust completely. I've only "had
>>>sex" with one of them. As for evidence that homosexuality was
>>>accepted in the Bible, who said that's why I offered up this
>>>verse? I offered it to demonstrate that gay and lesbian
>>>relationships are a fact of life as old as time; that men have
>>>loved men and women have loved women for as long as there have
>>>been men and women. There are, I believe, 17 references to
>>>same-sex relations in the Bible. Most do condemn homosexuality.
>>>But the Bible also condemns the eating of shellfish and the
>>>wearing of blended fabrics, and it condones (among other things)
>>>murder, rape, and incest. Tell me what's uplifting and moral about
>>>the slaughter of the Amakelites or the story of Lot having sex
>>>with his daughters, and perhaps I'll listen to your ranting
>>>against same-sex marriage.
>>>
>>> You think way too much about gay sex, Dick -- and so do Doug
>>>Farris, Dale Courtney, and our little swan, Ed "Cooper." I can
>>>assure you that we gay folk think very little about your sex
>>>lives. We prefer to hold onto our lunches.
>>>
>>> Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
>>> www.joanopyr.com
>>>
>>> PS: Your ideas of blasphemy, Dick, do not correspond with Jewish
>>>tradition. The devout Jew is encouraged to l'hakshot, meaning the
>>>asking of probing, difficult questions. We are to take nothing at
>>>face value. Our religion requires a dialog with God -- a dialog
>>>that you'll find in the midrash, thousands of years of recorded
>>>commentary on the Hebrew scriptures. We Jews are not only allowed
>>>but expected to ask questions of God, and it is not blasphemy to
>>>question the scriptures. Far from it. It's fine to be a sheep;
>>>it's not so hot to be a lemming.
>>> PPS: I am of English, Welsh, Scottish and Ukrainian Jewish
>>>descent. My name is pronounced with a hard "j." I'll thank you to
>>>stop playing around with it. Honestly, if my name were Dick, I'd
>>>think twice before I messed with anyone else's moniker -- even if
>>>it were I. P. Freely.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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