[Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
Tom Hansen
idahotom at hotmail.com
Wed Apr 26 17:54:04 PDT 2006
In addition to the message originating from Moscow, it originates from a
computer terminal ID of SHERWINHOME.
Does the name "Sherwin" mean anything?
Tom Hansen
>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>To: idahotom at hotmail.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
>Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:45:06 -0700
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>Hey, if this guy is from Lewiston, why is his ISP from Moscow? I smell and
>Ed/rv/Dick in the mix here...what'da think?
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>J :]
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>>Joan,
>>
>>What difference does it make if I know you or not? And, I looked through
>>several translations of the Bible before answering you. That's why I did
>>not answer until now, even though you wrote this rubbish on the 22nd. I
>>also used several different reference materials to research this and spoke
>>with the pastor of my church about it. I believe I understand this
>>passage fairly well.
>>
>>Your need to justify your sexual preference is obviously overriding your
>>good sense. I don't read Greek, or Coptic, or Aramic. Do you? Your
>>liberal ranting and rattling on with supposed academic prowess is
>>irrelevent anyway. This passage is clear in its meaning if taken in the
>>context in which it is contained.
>>
>>Do you actually believe that, despite all the cites in the Bible condeming
>>homosexuality, this one slightly suggestive (at least to you) cite
>>justifies your sin? You need to get a life if you do. I personally do
>>not care what you believe, I only wish to set the record straight to
>>others that you are dead wrong in you perverted translation.
>>
>>Play all the word games you wish, it will not change the fact that you
>>only wish there was a passage, any passage, anywhere in the Bible to
>>justify your lifestyle. Your desperate need is reaveled in your own
>>words: Sorry........... "Now, tell me exactly how it is that you
>>know what David and Jonathan got up to when the lights were out? Were you
>>a fly on the wall?"
>>
>>I have no idea what you are talking about as for messing around with you
>>name. Is that another problem you have?
>>
>>I don't care about your ethnic background, that does not make you an
>>expert on anything as far as I am concerned. Of what relevance is it in
>>this discussion anyway? And you can group me with whomever you please as
>>an excuse to diminish me in your own mind but I don't know these people
>>you refer too.
>>
>>Get off the intellectual supueriority band wagon. You are not impressing
>>anyone with it anyway.
>>
>>Dick
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Joan Opyr
>> To: rvrcowboy
>> Cc: Vision2020
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2006, at 1:17 PM, rvrcowboy wrote:
>>
>>
>> Ed is forgetting, of course, that "the soul of Jonathan was bound to
>>the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. Then Jonathan
>>made a covenant with David, because he loved him as his own soul." 1
>>Samuel 18. So much for Bathsheba. Uriah the Hittite bit the dust for
>>nothing.
>>
>> Joan Opyr 4/22/2006
>>
>>
>> What is Joan trying to make us believe here? That David and Jonathan
>>engaged in homosexual activities with each other? That is crazy, but then
>>again, who should be surprised at that from Joan?
>>
>>
>> Do I know you Dick? Have we ever met? I don't think so. Unless, of
>>course, we've sat down next to one another at Effie's and dined side by
>>side on giant burgers without knowing it. Could be . . .
>>
>> Now, tell me what you know about Biblical translation, or translation
>>period? Do you read Coptic? Or Greek? How's your Aramaic? Which
>>translation of the Bible do you use? Do you have a concordance? Do you use
>>it? (Please bear in mind that a translation is not the same thing as a
>>version.) Now, tell me exactly how it is that you know what David and
>>Jonathan got up to when the lights were out? Were you a fly on the wall?
>>That was what, 3,500 years ago? No wonder you're retired.
>>
>> What we do know about Jonathan's relationship with David is that,
>>according to the "crazy" verse I cited, Jonathan loved David with a love
>>surpassing, so much so that he bound his soul to David's. What do you call
>>that kind of relationship? Just good friends?
>>
>>
>>
>> This chapter and verse is taken completely out of context and has
>>nothing to do with homosexual activity what-so-ever but with the bond
>>between David and Jonathan (Saul's son) as friends. Joan has obviously
>>never had a friend she trusted or loved with her soul. Or, perhaps, not
>>one that she has not had sex with anyway.
>>
>>
>> To offer up this text as evidence that homosexuality is accepted in
>>the Bible is ludicrous and bordering on blasphemy. Talk about a stretch
>>of the imagination.... WOW!
>>
>>
>> Dick
>>
>>
>> I take nothing out of context, Dick -- not this Biblical verse and not
>>your crude assumptions about my friendships and my sex life. I am blessed
>>in my family and my friendships, and I can name at least a dozen people in
>>whom I trust completely. I've only "had sex" with one of them. As for
>>evidence that homosexuality was accepted in the Bible, who said that's why
>>I offered up this verse? I offered it to demonstrate that gay and lesbian
>>relationships are a fact of life as old as time; that men have loved men
>>and women have loved women for as long as there have been men and women.
>>There are, I believe, 17 references to same-sex relations in the Bible.
>>Most do condemn homosexuality. But the Bible also condemns the eating of
>>shellfish and the wearing of blended fabrics, and it condones (among other
>>things) murder, rape, and incest. Tell me what's uplifting and moral about
>>the slaughter of the Amakelites or the story of Lot having sex with his
>>daughters, and perhaps I'll listen to your ranting against same-sex
>>marriage.
>>
>> You think way too much about gay sex, Dick -- and so do Doug Farris,
>>Dale Courtney, and our little swan, Ed "Cooper." I can assure you that we
>>gay folk think very little about your sex lives. We prefer to hold onto
>>our lunches.
>>
>> Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
>> www.joanopyr.com
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>> PS: Your ideas of blasphemy, Dick, do not correspond with Jewish
>>tradition. The devout Jew is encouraged to l'hakshot, meaning the asking
>>of probing, difficult questions. We are to take nothing at face value. Our
>>religion requires a dialog with God -- a dialog that you'll find in the
>>midrash, thousands of years of recorded commentary on the Hebrew
>>scriptures. We Jews are not only allowed but expected to ask questions of
>>God, and it is not blasphemy to question the scriptures. Far from it. It's
>>fine to be a sheep; it's not so hot to be a lemming.
>> PPS: I am of English, Welsh, Scottish and Ukrainian Jewish descent. My
>>name is pronounced with a hard "j." I'll thank you to stop playing around
>>with it. Honestly, if my name were Dick, I'd think twice before I messed
>>with anyone else's moniker -- even if it were I. P. Freely.
>>
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