[Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
eflanery at fsr.com
Wed Apr 26 19:23:32 PDT 2006
Hate to break it to you all, but Clearwire is NOT a Moscow ISP, nor are
they a Lewiston ISP. They are a (evil, parasitic) national ISP with a
presence in both Moscow and Lewiston (along with anywhere else they feel
they can victimize the populous), one on which I could deliver a far
longer rant, if anyone so desires (completely un-related to the current
Also, this little bit of the header is suggestive (not conclusive) as to
Received: from SHERWINHOME (64-13-84-84.lew.clearwire-dns.net
I somehow doubt that ".lew." is a reference to Moscow.
(NOT speaking on behalf of my employer)
On Wed, 26 Apr 2006, Tom Hansen wrote:
> In addition to the message originating from Moscow, it originates from a
> computer terminal ID of SHERWINHOME.
> Does the name "Sherwin" mean anything?
> Tom Hansen
> >From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> >To: idahotom at hotmail.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
> >Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:45:06 -0700
> >Hey, if this guy is from Lewiston, why is his ISP from Moscow? I smell and
> >Ed/rv/Dick in the mix here...what'da think?
> >J :]
> >>From: "rvrcowboy" <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net>
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> >>What difference does it make if I know you or not? And, I looked through
> >>several translations of the Bible before answering you. That's why I did
> >>not answer until now, even though you wrote this rubbish on the 22nd. I
> >>also used several different reference materials to research this and spoke
> >>with the pastor of my church about it. I believe I understand this
> >>passage fairly well.
> >>Your need to justify your sexual preference is obviously overriding your
> >>good sense. I don't read Greek, or Coptic, or Aramic. Do you? Your
> >>liberal ranting and rattling on with supposed academic prowess is
> >>irrelevent anyway. This passage is clear in its meaning if taken in the
> >>context in which it is contained.
> >>Do you actually believe that, despite all the cites in the Bible condeming
> >>homosexuality, this one slightly suggestive (at least to you) cite
> >>justifies your sin? You need to get a life if you do. I personally do
> >>not care what you believe, I only wish to set the record straight to
> >>others that you are dead wrong in you perverted translation.
> >>Play all the word games you wish, it will not change the fact that you
> >>only wish there was a passage, any passage, anywhere in the Bible to
> >>justify your lifestyle. Your desperate need is reaveled in your own
> >>words: Sorry........... "Now, tell me exactly how it is that you
> >>know what David and Jonathan got up to when the lights were out? Were you
> >>a fly on the wall?"
> >>I have no idea what you are talking about as for messing around with you
> >>name. Is that another problem you have?
> >>I don't care about your ethnic background, that does not make you an
> >>expert on anything as far as I am concerned. Of what relevance is it in
> >>this discussion anyway? And you can group me with whomever you please as
> >>an excuse to diminish me in your own mind but I don't know these people
> >>you refer too.
> >>Get off the intellectual supueriority band wagon. You are not impressing
> >>anyone with it anyway.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Joan Opyr
> >> To: rvrcowboy
> >> Cc: Vision2020
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:47 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on 4/22/2006
> >> On Apr 26, 2006, at 1:17 PM, rvrcowboy wrote:
> >> Ed is forgetting, of course, that "the soul of Jonathan was bound to
> >>the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. Then Jonathan
> >>made a covenant with David, because he loved him as his own soul." 1
> >>Samuel 18. So much for Bathsheba. Uriah the Hittite bit the dust for
> >> Joan Opyr 4/22/2006
> >> What is Joan trying to make us believe here? That David and Jonathan
> >>engaged in homosexual activities with each other? That is crazy, but then
> >>again, who should be surprised at that from Joan?
> >> Do I know you Dick? Have we ever met? I don't think so. Unless, of
> >>course, we've sat down next to one another at Effie's and dined side by
> >>side on giant burgers without knowing it. Could be . . .
> >> Now, tell me what you know about Biblical translation, or translation
> >>period? Do you read Coptic? Or Greek? How's your Aramaic? Which
> >>translation of the Bible do you use? Do you have a concordance? Do you use
> >>it? (Please bear in mind that a translation is not the same thing as a
> >>version.) Now, tell me exactly how it is that you know what David and
> >>Jonathan got up to when the lights were out? Were you a fly on the wall?
> >>That was what, 3,500 years ago? No wonder you're retired.
> >> What we do know about Jonathan's relationship with David is that,
> >>according to the "crazy" verse I cited, Jonathan loved David with a love
> >>surpassing, so much so that he bound his soul to David's. What do you call
> >>that kind of relationship? Just good friends?
> >> This chapter and verse is taken completely out of context and has
> >>nothing to do with homosexual activity what-so-ever but with the bond
> >>between David and Jonathan (Saul's son) as friends. Joan has obviously
> >>never had a friend she trusted or loved with her soul. Or, perhaps, not
> >>one that she has not had sex with anyway.
> >> To offer up this text as evidence that homosexuality is accepted in
> >>the Bible is ludicrous and bordering on blasphemy. Talk about a stretch
> >>of the imagination.... WOW!
> >> Dick
> >> I take nothing out of context, Dick -- not this Biblical verse and not
> >>your crude assumptions about my friendships and my sex life. I am blessed
> >>in my family and my friendships, and I can name at least a dozen people in
> >>whom I trust completely. I've only "had sex" with one of them. As for
> >>evidence that homosexuality was accepted in the Bible, who said that's why
> >>I offered up this verse? I offered it to demonstrate that gay and lesbian
> >>relationships are a fact of life as old as time; that men have loved men
> >>and women have loved women for as long as there have been men and women.
> >>There are, I believe, 17 references to same-sex relations in the Bible.
> >>Most do condemn homosexuality. But the Bible also condemns the eating of
> >>shellfish and the wearing of blended fabrics, and it condones (among other
> >>things) murder, rape, and incest. Tell me what's uplifting and moral about
> >>the slaughter of the Amakelites or the story of Lot having sex with his
> >>daughters, and perhaps I'll listen to your ranting against same-sex
> >> You think way too much about gay sex, Dick -- and so do Doug Farris,
> >>Dale Courtney, and our little swan, Ed "Cooper." I can assure you that we
> >>gay folk think very little about your sex lives. We prefer to hold onto
> >>our lunches.
> >> Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
> >> www.joanopyr.com
> >> PS: Your ideas of blasphemy, Dick, do not correspond with Jewish
> >>tradition. The devout Jew is encouraged to l'hakshot, meaning the asking
> >>of probing, difficult questions. We are to take nothing at face value. Our
> >>religion requires a dialog with God -- a dialog that you'll find in the
> >>midrash, thousands of years of recorded commentary on the Hebrew
> >>scriptures. We Jews are not only allowed but expected to ask questions of
> >>God, and it is not blasphemy to question the scriptures. Far from it. It's
> >>fine to be a sheep; it's not so hot to be a lemming.
> >> PPS: I am of English, Welsh, Scottish and Ukrainian Jewish descent. My
> >>name is pronounced with a hard "j." I'll thank you to stop playing around
> >>with it. Honestly, if my name were Dick, I'd think twice before I messed
> >>with anyone else's moniker -- even if it were I. P. Freely.
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