[Vision2020] Re: Hispanic comments...
rvrcowboy
rvrcowboy at clearwire.net
Tue Apr 25 07:55:16 PDT 2006
keely,
I am not blind to my surroundings. I can see the riots (disquised as
peaceful demonstrations) on the news. With over 12 million people here
illegally and thousands more coming each month, I can't believe anyone would
not recognize this is a problem, even a liberal.
Just because you don't know these people personally does not mean they don't
speak for many others. You don't know George Bush personally either but I
bet you have strong feelings there.
I have kids and grandkids living in the Seattle area and know the problems
in the schools there. My grandson was mugged just last week in fact, by a
group of Spanish gang members who stole his cell phone and ran up over $100
in calls to Mexico before his parents could get it cancelled. You can stick
your head in the sand and pretend this is not a problem if you wish but that
won't solve anything.
I also know people with children in school in the tri-cities area who are
having horrendous problems with Spanish gangs in the schools and on the
streets.
Reality bites....get used to it.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
To: <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Re: Hispanic comments...
> Not one of the immigrants I know -- and, cowboy, I've known hundreds --
> would have any idea who these people are.
>
> I'm fairly well-informed on the issue, speak Spanish, lived in Arizona for
> 22 years, ministered to Mexican immigrants for a dozen years in the 90s
> until moving here in 2002, and my politics are generally liberal. Still,
> I've heard of none of the folks you quoted. I doubt that I'd want to have
a
> beer with any of them; they sound somewhat disagreeable.
>
> But they aren't the problem, they aren't the issue, and they aren't the
> immigrants. The manifesto they appear to lay out has nothing to do with
> anyone I know and is unlikely to come true in any way, shape, or form --
the
> complexion of the country may be changing in areas, but that's the history
> of the United States writ with an accent you appear to simply fear.
Having
> taught hundreds of English classes, all well-attended, I can attest to the
> eagerness with which Mexican immigrants, even sub-literate ones, approach
> learning English.
>
> Now, since you only regurgitated other sources, I'm curious -- can you
tell
> us about YOUR experience with or views on immigrants, foreign culture,
> cultural diversity in the US, learning a second language, politics in the
> sunbelt, or anything else germane to the subject?
>
> keely
>
>
> From: "rvrcowboy" <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net>
> To: "Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: [Vision2020] Re: Hispanic comments...
> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:12:02 -0700
>
> I think some of the people here on vision 2020 live in a world where their
> reality is more of a fantasy. I haven't read any of their comments on the
> immigration issue yet but my guess is they will mostly construe it as
"hate
> speech" or "bigotry" or some other politically correct euphemism against
> Spanish people. That isn't true, of course, but we'll see.
>
> I probably should not pre-judge the reactions but it is difficult not to.
>
> Have a great day.
>
> Dick
> From: Ed
> To: rvrcowboy
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:56 AM
> Subject: Re: Hispanic comments...
>
>
> Cowboy,
>
> No surprise to me...I live in an area that, in the last 20 years, has
> changed demographically from 15% to 70% Hispanics...the town is 5,000
people
> and 250 of them (HS and Jr High students) were marching at an impromptu
> rally a couple weeks back in protest of the proposed immigration
> legislation. It was a joke. May 1st is the official "day without an
> immigrant" rally. They expect 1/4 of the city residents to be at the
> rally...The areas largest employer (McCain Foods) has planned to shut down
> for the occasion. I say, lets go for a year without an immigrant, then
two,
> three, etc... immigrant meaning illegal alien of course...Boy, I love the
> politically correct euphemisms we use...
>
> On the day, May 1, I will be wearing my "Viva La Deportation" shirt in
> opposition to the march/rally...and hope to locate a confederate flag to
fly
> from my truck...The previous rally saw numerous Mexican flags as well as
the
> Caesar Chavez insignia (the bird thing, wings outstretched). The
immigration
> debate is my pet peeve as you can tell...I wont even get started...
>
> What do you make of some of those characters on Vision2020?
>
> Ed
>
>
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>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dick Flerchinger
> To: Dick Flerchinger
> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 2:02 PM
> Subject: Hispanic comments...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> HISPANIC LEADERS SPEAK OUT!
>
> Augustin Cebada, Brown Berets; "Go back to Boston! Go back to
> Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are
old
> and tired.
> Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old
white
> people. It
> is your duty to die . . . Through love of having children, we
are
> going
> to take over.
>
> Richard Alatorre, Los Angeles City Council. "They're afraid
we're
> going
> to take over the governmental institutions and other
> institutions.
> They're right. We will take them over . . We are here to
stay."
>
> Excelsior, the national newspaper of Mexico, "The American
> Southwest
> seems to be slowly returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico
> without firing a
> single shot."
>
>
> Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas; "We have
> an
> aging white America. They are not making babies. They are
dying.
>
> The explosion is in our population . . . I love it. They are
> shitting in
>
> their pants with fear. I love it."
>
> Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party,
> "Remember
> 187--proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to
> non-citizens--was the last gasp of white America in
California."
>
> Gloria Molina, Los Angeles County Supervisor, "We are
> politicizing
> every single one of these new citizens that are becoming
citizens
> of
>
> this country .
> . I gotta tell you that a lot of people are saying, "I'm going
to
> go
> out there and vote because I want to pay them back."
>
> Mario Obledo, California Coalition of Hispanic Organizations
and
> California State Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare
> under
>
> Governor Jerry Brown, also awarded the Presidential Medal of
>
> Freedom by President Bill Clinton.
>
>
> "California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who doesn't
> like
> it should leave."
>
> Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General , "We are
practicing
> 'La
> Reconquista' in California."
>
> Professor Fernando Guerra, Loyola Marymount University; "We
need
> to
> avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos .
.
> . "
>
> Are these just the words of a few extremists? Consider that we
> could
> fill up many pages with such quotes. Also, consider that these
> are
> mainstream Mexican leaders.
>
> THE U.S. VS MEXICO:
> On February 15, 1998, the U.S. and Mexican soccer teams met at
> the
> Los Angeles Coliseum. The crowd was overwhelmingly pro-Mexican
> even
> though most lived in this country. They booed during the
> National Anthem
>
> and U.S. flags were held upside down. As the match
progressed,
>
> supporters of the U.S. team were insulted, pelted with
> projectiles, punched
>
> and spat upon. Beer and trash were thrown at the U.S. players
> before and
>
> after the match. The coach of the U.S. team, Steve Sampson
> said,
>
> "This was the most painful experience I have ever had in this
> profession."
>
> Did you know that immigrants from Mexico and other non-European
> countries can come to this country and get preferences in
jobs,
>
> education, and government contracts? It's called affirmative
> action or racial
>
> privilege. The Emperor of Japan or the President of Mexico
could
> migrate
>
> here and immediately be eligible for special rights
unavailable
> for
>
> Americans of European descent.
>
> Recently, a vote was taken in the U.S. Congress to end this
> practice.
> It was defeated. Every single Democratic senator except Ernest
> Hollings
> voted to maintain special privileges for Hispanic, Asian and
> African
> immigrants. They were joined by thirteen Republicans.
>
> Bill Clinton and Al Gore have repeatedly stated they believe
> that massive
>
> immigration from countries like Mexico is good. They have
also
> backed
>
> special privileges for these immigrants.
>
> Corporate America has signed on to the idea that minorities and
> third world immigrants should get special, privileged status.
>
> Some examples are Exxon, Texaco, Merrill Lynch, Boeing, Paine
> Weber,
>
> Starbucks and many more.
>
> DID YOU KNOW?:
> Did you know that Mexico regularly intercedes on the side of
the
> defense in criminal cases involving Mexican nationals? Did you
> know
>
> that Mexico has NEVER extradited a Mexican national accused of
>
> murder in the U.S. in spite of agreements to do so?
>
>
>
> According to the L.A. Times, Orange County, California is home
> to 275
>
> gangs with 17,000 members; 98% of which are Mexican and Asian.
>
>
> How's your county doing?
>
> According to a New York Times article dated May 19, 1994, 20
> years
> after the great influx of legal immigrants from Southeast
Asia,
> 30%
>
> are still on welfare compared to 8% of households nationwide.
>
> A Wall Street Journal editorial dated December 5, 1994 quotes
> law
>
> enforcement officials as stating that Asian mobsters are the
>
> "greatest criminal challenge the country faces." Not bad for a
> group
>
> that is still under 5% of the population.
>
> Is education important to you? Here are the words of a teacher
> who
> spent over 20 years in the Los Angeles School system.
>
> "Imagine teachers in classes containing 30-40 students of
widely
>
> varying attention spans and motivation, many of whom aren't
> fluent
>
> in English. Educators seek learning materials likely to reach
the
>
> majority of students and that means fewer words and math
> problems
>
> and more pictures and multicultural references."
>
> Immigrants that came through Ellis Island wanted to learn
> English.
> They wanted to breath free. They wanted to become Americans.
Now
> too
> many immigrants come here with demands. They demand to be
taught
>
> in their own language. They demand special
> privileges--affirmative action.
>
> They demand ethnic studies that glorify their culture.
>
> HOW CAN YOU HELP?:
> Send this to at least two other people, Help get the word out.
>
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