[Vision2020] Crazy Train

Sat Apr 22 12:23:52 PDT 2006

Ed,

  You wrote:

  "We need to get so serious about protecting the institution  of marriage (for the preservation of humanity). . ."

 If your real goal was to save the institution of marriage, why ban  marriage? Would it not be more productive to simply ban divorce?

  If 50% of marriages end in about 5 years, and over 70% of marriages end  in about 10 years, it would make the most sense to save the most  marriages by putting your efforts into banning divorce, not denying  marriages to people that cannot get married anyway. 

 Putting  huge efforts into preventing less than 3% of the marriages, while  ignoring the 70% that are failing in order to save the institution  seems like an unproductive strategy. 

  Take Care,

  _DJA

Ed <ecooper at turbonet.com> wrote:          Donovon,

  I  realize that it's already illegal; however, many are looking for the  loopholes... We need to get so serious about protecting the institution  of marriage (for the preservation of humanity) that we enact such  a rigid law that we leave no room open for even quasi-homosexual  marriage, etc... 

  "Cruel and unusual punishment"?...good   point..

  And, yes, the state has far too much   power...but that's another story in itself..

  Ed
      ----- Original Message ----- 
    From:     Donovan Arnold 
    To: Ed ; Vision2020 Moscow 
    Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 1:11     AM
    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Crazy     Train

Ed,

Same  sex marriage is already banned in Idaho. Is it not like banning  together to make sure that Idaho uses the US dollar? And if you hate  homosexuals and the spread of disease why would you stop homosexuals  from marrying? Seems like it would punish them and slow the spread of  disease at the same time.  

I believe that the US Constitution banned all     marriage when it forbid cruel and unusual punishment. : )

And another     thing. If marriage is a religious ceremony, why is the state involved anyway?     

Take Care,

_DJA

Ed     <ecooper at turbonet.com> wrote:                              As  a newcomer to the area and a recent subscriber to this group, I have  read each post, concerning the issues that face this community, with  enthusiasm and sincere interest. One issue in particular stood out  while perusing Joan’s entry. She mentioned, “we’re facing a  constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage on the November  ballot.”

      I  thought, wow; what better a time than now for concerned citizens to  band together and push this thing through? Why not make amends and ally  with the pastor of that church (Christ’s Church) to accomplish a common  goal? I see a lot of religious talk (in this forum) as well as dialogue  regarding the future of the community. Rather than being silent on the  issue, we should spread the news. This is the ideal medium to initiate  an awareness campaign. Let’s save our community form the evils that  lurk. Same sex marriage today; tomorrow, they’ll be petitioning to  marry man’s best friend. Funny this subject should arise; I think daily  of the way the world is going, especially the United       States.       

      Why oppose same sex marriage? The reasons are       endless
..

      Daily,  we see news stories that deal with acts so perverse and extreme that we  are outraged (why would those boys rape the stripper? why does a man  kidnap a young girl with the intent of eating her? Why is the world  filled with never-before-seen disease?). It seems we ignore and  tolerate the deviant behavior that leads up to these acts, so gross  until we can no longer ignore them. Nobody asks why underage men are  drinking, or why females take their clothes off for these drunken men.  Nobody questions the sexual behavior that spreads incurable diseases.  We simply witness the end effect and wonder how we have arrived at this  horrific juncture. If you don’t desire the effect, you must change the  cause or root.  

      Equally  responsible for the decadence, our nation has turned its back on  God—even kicking him out of the schools and courtrooms; we have allowed  every conceivable deviant behavior to be normalized and sanitized by  extremists in the name of free speech and equal rights. In the extreme,  you even hear of churches debating whether or not to allow homosexual  clergy and the like....What Bible are they reading?

      These  are merely some of the reasons that it is imperative that we band  together on this issue; other, more salient, ones follow. 

      Biology,  physiology, reproduction, traditional morality, ethics, mindless  denigration of the institution of marriage, God’s law (the Bible),  nature, pervasive, incurable disease, the family, homosexual supremacy  groups, loss of masculinity, female mistreatment, not to mention the  empirical social-science evidence about what happens in societies where  homosexuality is normalized (Netherlands, Canada, and Spain for  example).  If we sit idly by, we are doomed.       

      Was the naming of “Brokeback Mountain”  strategic,  symbolic of how our Nation’s back/will has been  broke by homosexual activists? Well, neither my back nor my will has  been broken
 I will not sit silently while a vocal minority imposes  their disgusting perversions on the rest of the world. 

      Ed

      In  a similar vein....we should refrain from the use of the word "gay" when  referring to homosexuals. The innocent word that implies lively and  spirited has been hijacked by the far left resulting in some oxymoronic  pseudonym.....

              -----         Original Message ----- 
        From:         Joan         Opyr 
        To:         Vision2020 Moscow 
        Sent:         Friday, April 21, 2006 12:34 PM
        Subject:         [Vision2020] Crazy Train

Dear Visionaries:

I am done arguing with         Donovan.  Perhaps not forever, but certainly for 
now.  If         list members want to talk about water, let's talk about water. 
          We cannot, however, only talk about water.  There's more at stake in         
the future of Moscow.  Smart growth, dumb growth, and         anti-growth; 
growth that benefits the few, not the many.  There's         also urban 
renewal, development options, the University of Idaho,         traffic along 
the Miracle Mile, and parking in the downtown retail         district.  As we 
get into issues of cultural hegemony and         differing visions of what 
constitutes a healthy and diverse community,         we're bound to get into 
sticky territory.  We're facing a         constitutional amendment banning 
same-sex marriage on the November         ballot.  I expect some important and 
potentially hot debates over         that.  And when we do get around to it, I 
warn you, Pastor         You-Know-Who and his You-Know-Church will likely serve 
as both the tar         baby and the briar patch.  If He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named 
takes as         active a role in this political fight as he took in the 1994 
battle         over Proposition One, then it's going to get hot in here.  Might         
want to open a window.

That said, I think it's important to         recognize that unmoderated chat 
groups are like the railroad tracks in         a Roadrunner cartoon.  We, the 
list members, are like Wile E.         Coyote.  We're on the train, chasing the 
Roadrunner, when we look         out the window and see that we're running out 
of track.  So, we         open up the Acme box and hang out on the engine, 
laying track before         the train just as fast as we can.  What happens?  
We find         ourselves halfway over a chasm; we look down, pause, and drop, 
right         to the bottom of a deep canyon, where we thump to a halt in a 
cloud of         dust.  But we always get back up again.  That's the nature of         
this list, and it's the nature of every other unmoderated list.          
Freedom of expression is not freedom from annoyance, and if it were,         
I'd be bored senseless.  This is a great community, and I'm         always 
interested to hear what most of you have to say.

It's         true that my Bozo Bin is wide and deep, and that I filter out 
quite a         few posters, but I have relatives that I don't like, either.  I         
don't want to hang out with them, but I don't think they should be         
tossed from the family.  I still meet up with them once a year at         the 
family reunion, and we watch one another eat fried chicken.          (It's 
always too greasy.  Best to stick to the deviled         eggs.)

Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
www.joanopyr.com

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