Ed,<br> <br> You wrote:<br> <br> "<font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">We need to get so serious about protecting the institution of marriage (for the preservation of humanity). . ."</font><br> <br> If your real goal was to save the institution of marriage, why ban marriage? Would it not be more productive to simply ban divorce?<br> <br> If 50% of marriages end in about 5 years, and over 70% of marriages end in about 10 years, it would make the most sense to save the most marriages by putting your efforts into banning divorce, not denying marriages to people that cannot get married anyway. <br> <br> Putting huge efforts into preventing less than 3% of the marriages, while ignoring the 70% that are failing in order to save the institution seems like an unproductive strategy. <br> <br> Take Care,<br> <br> _DJA<br> <br> <br> <br><br><b><i>Ed <ecooper@turbonet.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16,
255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2873" name="GENERATOR"> <div><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Donovon,</font></div> <div><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">I realize that it's already illegal; however, many are looking for the loopholes... We need to get so serious about protecting the institution of marriage (for the preservation of humanity) that we enact such a rigid law that we leave no room open for even quasi-homosexual marriage, etc... </font></div> <div><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">"Cruel and unusual punishment"?...good point..</font></div> <div><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">And, yes, the state has far too much power...but
that's another story in itself..</font></div> <div><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Ed</font></div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;"> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> <a title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</a>
</div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="ecooper@turbonet.com" href="mailto:ecooper@turbonet.com">Ed</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020 Moscow</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 22, 2006 1:11 AM</div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Crazy Train</div> <div><br></div>Ed,<br><br>Same sex marriage is already banned in Idaho. Is it not like banning together to make sure that Idaho
uses the US dollar? And if you hate homosexuals and the spread of disease why would you stop homosexuals from marrying? Seems like it would punish them and slow the spread of disease at the same time. <br><br>I believe that the US Constitution banned all marriage when it forbid cruel and unusual punishment. : )<br><br>And another thing. If marriage is a religious ceremony, why is the state involved anyway? <br><br>Take Care,<br><br>_DJA<br><br><b><i>Ed <ecooper@turbonet.com></i></b> wrote: <blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"> <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2873" name="GENERATOR"> <style></style> <div><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"></font> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><font size="3">As a newcomer to the area and a recent subscriber to this
group, I have read each post, concerning the issues that face this community, with enthusiasm and sincere interest. One issue in particular stood out while perusing Joans entry. She mentioned, were facing a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage on the November ballot.<O:P></O:P></font></font></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><O:P><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><font size="3"></font></font></O:P></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><font size="3">I thought, wow; what better a time than now for concerned citizens to band together and push this thing through? Why not make amends and ally with the pastor of that church (Christs Church) to accomplish a common goal? I see a lot of religious talk (in this forum) as well as dialogue regarding the future of the community.
Rather than being silent on the issue, we should spread the news. This is the ideal medium to initiate an awareness campaign. Lets save our community form the evils that lurk. Same sex marriage today; tomorrow, theyll be petitioning to marry mans best friend. Funny this subject should arise; I think daily of the way the world is going, especially the <ST1:COUNTRY-REGION w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on">United States</ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION>. <O:P></O:P></font></font></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><O:P><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><font size="3"></font></font></O:P></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><font size="3">Why oppose same sex marriage? The reasons are endless
..<O:P></O:P></font></font></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><O:P><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><font size="3"></font></font></O:P></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><font size="3">Daily, we see news stories that deal with acts so perverse and extreme that we are outraged (why would those boys rape the stripper? why does a man kidnap a young girl with the intent of eating her? Why is the world filled with never-before-seen disease?). It seems we ignore and tolerate the deviant behavior that leads up to these acts, so gross until we can no longer ignore them. Nobody asks why underage men are drinking, or why females take their clothes off for these drunken men. Nobody questions the sexual behavior that spreads incurable diseases. We simply witness the end effect and wonder how we have arrived at this horrific juncture. If you dont desire the effect, you must change the
cause or root. <span> </span><O:P></O:P></font></font></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><O:P><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><font size="3"></font></font></O:P></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><O:P><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><font size="3"></font></font></O:P></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><font size="3">Equally responsible for the decadence, our nation has turned its back on Godeven kicking him out of the schools and courtrooms; we have allowed every conceivable deviant behavior to be normalized and sanitized by extremists in the name of free speech and equal rights. In the extreme, you even hear of churches debating whether or not to allow homosexual clergy and the like....What Bible are they
reading?</font></font></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><O:P><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><font size="3"></font></font></O:P></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><O:P><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><font size="3"></font></font></O:P></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial;"><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><font size="3">These are merely some of the reasons that it is imperative that we band together on this issue; other, more salient, ones follow. <O:P></O:P></font></font></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial;"><O:P><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><font size="3"></font></font></O:P></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in
0in 0pt;"><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial;"><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><font size="3">Biology, physiology, reproduction, traditional morality, ethics, mindless denigration of the institution of marriage, Gods law (the Bible), nature, pervasive, incurable disease, the family, homosexual supremacy groups, loss of masculinity, female mistreatment, not to mention the empirical social-science evidence about what happens in societies where homosexuality is normalized (Netherlands, Canada, and Spain for example). <span> </span>If we sit idly by, we are doomed. <O:P></O:P></font></font></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><O:P><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><font size="3"></font></font></O:P></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><O:P><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><font
size="3"></font></font></O:P></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><font size="3">Was the naming of <i><ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:PLACENAME w:st="on">Brokeback</ST1:PLACENAME> <ST1:PLACETYPE w:st="on">Mountain</ST1:PLACETYPE></ST1:PLACE></i> strategic, symbolic of how our Nations back/will has been broke by homosexual activists? Well, neither my back nor my will has been broken
I will not sit silently while a vocal minority imposes their disgusting perversions on the rest of the world. </font></font></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><font size="3"></font></font></span><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"></font> </div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><font face="Comic Sans MS"
size="2"><font size="3">Ed</font></font></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><font size="3"></font></font></span><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"></font> </div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><font size="3">In a similar vein....we should refrain from the use of the word "gay" when referring to homosexuals. The innocent word that implies lively and spirited has been hijacked by the far left resulting in some oxymoronic <font size="1"><font size="3">pseudonym.....</font></font></font></font></span></div></div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;"> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt;
line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> <a title="joanopyr@moscow.com" href="mailto:joanopyr@moscow.com">Joan Opyr</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020 Moscow</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal;
font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 21, 2006 12:34 PM</div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] Crazy Train</div> <div><br></div>Dear Visionaries:<br><br>I am done arguing with Donovan. Perhaps not forever, but certainly for <br>now. If list members want to talk about water, let's talk about water. <br> We cannot, however, only talk about water. There's more at stake in <br>the future of Moscow. Smart growth, dumb growth, and anti-growth; <br>growth that benefits the few, not the many. There's also urban <br>renewal, development options, the University of Idaho, traffic along <br>the Miracle Mile, and parking
in the downtown retail district. As we <br>get into issues of cultural hegemony and differing visions of what <br>constitutes a healthy and diverse community, we're bound to get into <br>sticky territory. We're facing a constitutional amendment banning <br>same-sex marriage on the November ballot. I expect some important and <br>potentially hot debates over that. And when we do get around to it, I <br>warn you, Pastor You-Know-Who and his You-Know-Church will likely serve <br>as both the tar baby and the briar patch. If He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named <br>takes as active a role in this political fight as he took in the 1994 <br>battle over Proposition One, then it's going to get hot in here. Might <br>want to open a window.<br><br>That said, I think it's important to recognize that unmoderated chat <br>groups are like the railroad tracks in
a Roadrunner cartoon. We, the <br>list members, are like Wile E. Coyote. We're on the train, chasing the <br>Roadrunner, when we look out the window and see that we're running out <br>of track. So, we open up the Acme box and hang out on the engine, <br>laying track before the train just as fast as we can. What happens? <br>We find ourselves halfway over a chasm; we look down, pause, and drop, <br>right to the bottom of a deep canyon, where we thump to a halt in a <br>cloud of dust. But we always get back up again. That's the nature of <br>this list, and it's the nature of every other unmoderated list. <br>Freedom of expression is not freedom from annoyance, and if it were, <br>I'd be bored senseless. This is a great community, and I'm always <br>interested to hear what most of you have to say.<br><br>It's true that my Bozo
Bin is wide and deep, and that I filter out <br>quite a few posters, but I have relatives that I don't like, either. I <br>don't want to hang out with them, but I don't think they should be <br>tossed from the family. I still meet up with them once a year at the <br>family reunion, and we watch one another eat fried chicken. (It's <br>always too greasy. Best to stick to the deviled eggs.)<br><br>Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment<br><a href="http://www.joanopyr.com">www.joanopyr.com</a><br><br>_____________________________________________________<br> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br> <a
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