[Spam] RE: [Vision2020] Crazy Train

Sat Apr 22 07:45:03 PDT 2006

I think Tom totally missed my point...of course the stripper example was not intended for the same-sex opposition exclusively; it was meant to illustrate how we are quick to condemn the despicable act so gross it's punishable by law. However, when we change so slightly, we fail to see the change in societies integrity, a change that also renders acts previously immoral as moral. And these same acts serve as stepping stones in committing the larger act. (Additionally, switch-hitters are becoming more common as well.) My example (in gestalt form) was specifically meant to illustrate that when we began to accept homosexual marriage and relationships as normal, we morphed from the idea of being a Christian or Judeo-Christian society based on biblical morality. And, of course, this is historically when societies get into trouble--the beginning of the end so to speak. My previous post laid out all the societal dangers for normalizing homosexual activity..... So, some say that there are so few, embrace them. The issue is not how any individual poses a threat to anyone, but how the normalization of homosexuality endangers the entire society. Once you accept one, more come. This once gross act now becomes alluring to impressionable youth, and the frenzy to become homosexual or bi-sexual is upon us. No one thinks about long-term implications, only instant gratification. 

Ed

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tom Hansen 
  To: 'Ed' ; 'Vision2020 Moscow' 
  Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 5:59 AM
  Subject: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] Crazy Train

  Ed said -

  "Why oppose same sex marriage? The reasons are endless...

  Daily, we see news stories that deal with acts so perverse and extreme that we are outraged (why would those boys rape the stripper?  why does a man kidnap a young girl with the intent of eating her? Why is the world filled with never-before-seen disease?)"

  Excuse me, Ed.  I seriously doubt that any of the instances cited above were/are the result of same-sex marriages.

  Boys raping strippers?  That sounds more hetero than homo to me.

  But, perhaps you are onto something.  In the absence of diversity reflected in accepting same-sex marriages, our quaint little town of Moscow will be forced to confine its diversity to wife-swapping parties 

  Seeya round town, Moscow.

  Tom Hansen

  Moscow, Idaho

  "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a ride!'"

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  From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Ed
  Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 12:24 AM
  To: Vision2020 Moscow
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Crazy Train

  As a newcomer to the area and a recent subscriber to this group, I have read each post, concerning the issues that face this community, with enthusiasm and sincere interest. One issue in particular stood out while perusing Joan's entry. She mentioned, "we're facing a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage on the November ballot."

  I thought, wow; what better a time than now for concerned citizens to band together and push this thing through? Why not make amends and ally with the pastor of that church (Christ's Church) to accomplish a common goal? I see a lot of religious talk (in this forum) as well as dialogue regarding the future of the community. Rather than being silent on the issue, we should spread the news. This is the ideal medium to initiate an awareness campaign. Let's save our community form the evils that lurk. Same sex marriage today; tomorrow, they'll be petitioning to marry man's best friend. Funny this subject should arise; I think daily of the way the world is going, especially the United States. 

  Why oppose same sex marriage? The reasons are endless...

  Daily, we see news stories that deal with acts so perverse and extreme that we are outraged (why would those boys rape the stripper? why does a man kidnap a young girl with the intent of eating her? Why is the world filled with never-before-seen disease?). It seems we ignore and tolerate the deviant behavior that leads up to these acts, so gross until we can no longer ignore them. Nobody asks why underage men are drinking, or why females take their clothes off for these drunken men. Nobody questions the sexual behavior that spreads incurable diseases. We simply witness the end effect and wonder how we have arrived at this horrific juncture. If you don't desire the effect, you must change the cause or root.  

  Equally responsible for the decadence, our nation has turned its back on God-even kicking him out of the schools and courtrooms; we have allowed every conceivable deviant behavior to be normalized and sanitized by extremists in the name of free speech and equal rights. In the extreme, you even hear of churches debating whether or not to allow homosexual clergy and the like....What Bible are they reading?

  These are merely some of the reasons that it is imperative that we band together on this issue; other, more salient, ones follow. 

  Biology, physiology, reproduction, traditional morality, ethics, mindless denigration of the institution of marriage, God's law (the Bible), nature, pervasive, incurable disease, the family, homosexual supremacy groups, loss of masculinity, female mistreatment, not to mention the empirical social-science evidence about what happens in societies where homosexuality is normalized (Netherlands, Canada, and Spain for example).  If we sit idly by, we are doomed. 

  Was the naming of "Brokeback Mountain" strategic,  symbolic of how our Nation's back/will has been broke by homosexual activists? Well, neither my back nor my will has been broken. I will not sit silently while a vocal minority imposes their disgusting perversions on the rest of the world. 

  Ed

  In a similar vein....we should refrain from the use of the word "gay" when referring to homosexuals. The innocent word that implies lively and spirited has been hijacked by the far left resulting in some oxymoronic pseudonym.....

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Joan Opyr 

    To: Vision2020 Moscow 

    Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 12:34 PM

    Subject: [Vision2020] Crazy Train

    Dear Visionaries:

    I am done arguing with Donovan.  Perhaps not forever, but certainly for 
    now.  If list members want to talk about water, let's talk about water. 
      We cannot, however, only talk about water.  There's more at stake in 
    the future of Moscow.  Smart growth, dumb growth, and anti-growth; 
    growth that benefits the few, not the many.  There's also urban 
    renewal, development options, the University of Idaho, traffic along 
    the Miracle Mile, and parking in the downtown retail district.  As we 
    get into issues of cultural hegemony and differing visions of what 
    constitutes a healthy and diverse community, we're bound to get into 
    sticky territory.  We're facing a constitutional amendment banning 
    same-sex marriage on the November ballot.  I expect some important and 
    potentially hot debates over that.  And when we do get around to it, I 
    warn you, Pastor You-Know-Who and his You-Know-Church will likely serve 
    as both the tar baby and the briar patch.  If He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named 
    takes as active a role in this political fight as he took in the 1994 
    battle over Proposition One, then it's going to get hot in here.  Might 
    want to open a window.

    That said, I think it's important to recognize that unmoderated chat 
    groups are like the railroad tracks in a Roadrunner cartoon.  We, the 
    list members, are like Wile E. Coyote.  We're on the train, chasing the 
    Roadrunner, when we look out the window and see that we're running out 
    of track.  So, we open up the Acme box and hang out on the engine, 
    laying track before the train just as fast as we can.  What happens?  
    We find ourselves halfway over a chasm; we look down, pause, and drop, 
    right to the bottom of a deep canyon, where we thump to a halt in a 
    cloud of dust.  But we always get back up again.  That's the nature of 
    this list, and it's the nature of every other unmoderated list.  
    Freedom of expression is not freedom from annoyance, and if it were, 
    I'd be bored senseless.  This is a great community, and I'm always 
    interested to hear what most of you have to say.

    It's true that my Bozo Bin is wide and deep, and that I filter out 
    quite a few posters, but I have relatives that I don't like, either.  I 
    don't want to hang out with them, but I don't think they should be 
    tossed from the family.  I still meet up with them once a year at the 
    family reunion, and we watch one another eat fried chicken.  (It's 
    always too greasy.  Best to stick to the deviled eggs.)

    Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
    www.joanopyr.com

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