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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I think Tom totally missed my point...of course the
stripper example was not intended for the same-sex opposition exclusively; it
was meant to illustrate how we are quick to condemn the despicable act so gross
it's punishable by law. However, when we change so slightly, we fail to see the
change in societies integrity, a change that also renders acts previously
immoral as moral. And these same acts serve as stepping stones in
committing the larger act. (Additionally, switch-hitters are becoming more
common as well.) My example (in gestalt form) was specifically meant to
illustrate that when we began to accept homosexual marriage and
relationships as normal, we morphed from the idea of being a Christian
or Judeo-Christian society based on biblical morality. And, of course, this is
historically when societies get into trouble--the beginning of the end so to
speak. My previous post laid out all the societal dangers for normalizing
homosexual activity..... So, some say that there are so few, embrace them.
</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT size=3>The issue is not how any individual
poses a threat to anyone, but how the normalization of homosexuality endangers
the entire society. Once you accept one, more come. This once gross act now
becomes alluring to impressionable youth, and the frenzy to become homosexual or
bi-sexual is upon us. No one thinks about long-term implications, only instant
gratification.</FONT> </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Ed</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=thansen@moscow.com href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom Hansen</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ecooper@turbonet.com
href="mailto:ecooper@turbonet.com">'Ed'</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">'Vision2020 Moscow'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, April 22, 2006 5:59
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] Crazy
Train</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ed said
–<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">“Why oppose same sex
marriage? The reasons are endless…..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Daily, we see news
stories that deal with acts so perverse and extreme that we are outraged (why
would those boys rape the stripper? why does a man kidnap a young girl
with the intent of eating her? Why is the world filled with never-before-seen
disease?)”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Excuse me, Ed.
I seriously doubt that any of the instances cited above were/are the result of
same-sex marriages.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Boys raping
strippers? That sounds more hetero than homo to
me.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But, perhaps you are
onto something. In the absence of diversity reflected in accepting
same-sex marriages, our quaint little town of <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City> will be forced to confine its
diversity to wife-swapping parties <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Seeya round town,
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Tom
Hansen<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><FONT face=Arial
color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Moscow</SPAN></FONT></st1:City><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">, <st1:State
w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></SPAN></FONT></st1:place><FONT face=Arial
color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy">"Life should NOT be a journey to the
grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink
in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO
HOO. What a ride!'"<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ed<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, April 22, 2006 12:24
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Vision2020
Moscow<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[Vision2020] Crazy Train</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As a newcomer to the area and a
recent subscriber to this group, I have read each post, concerning the issues
that face this community, with enthusiasm and sincere interest. One issue in
particular stood out while perusing Joan’s entry. She mentioned, “we’re facing
a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage on the November
ballot.”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I thought, wow; what better a time
than now for concerned citizens to band together and push this thing through?
Why not make amends and ally with the pastor of that church (Christ’s Church)
to accomplish a common goal? I see a lot of religious talk (in this forum) as
well as dialogue regarding the future of the community. Rather than being
silent on the issue, we should spread the news. This is the ideal medium to
initiate an awareness campaign. Let’s save our community form the evils that
lurk. Same sex marriage today; tomorrow, they’ll be petitioning to marry man’s
best friend. Funny this subject should arise; I think daily of the way the
world is going, especially the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on"><U1:COUNTRY-REGION u2:st="on"><U1:PLACE u2:st="on">United
States</st1:place></st1:country-region></U1:PLACE></U1:COUNTRY-REGION>.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Why oppose same sex marriage? The
reasons are endless…..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Daily, we see news stories that
deal with acts so perverse and extreme that we are outraged (why would those
boys rape the stripper? why does a man kidnap a young girl with the intent of
eating her? Why is the world filled with never-before-seen disease?). It seems
we ignore and tolerate the deviant behavior that leads up to these acts, so
gross until we can no longer ignore them. Nobody asks why underage men are
drinking, or why females take their clothes off for these drunken men. Nobody
questions the sexual behavior that spreads incurable diseases. We simply
witness the end effect and wonder how we have arrived at this horrific
juncture. If you don’t desire the effect, you must change the cause or
root. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Equally responsible for the
decadence, our nation has turned its back on God—even kicking him out of the
schools and courtrooms; we have allowed every conceivable deviant behavior to
be normalized and sanitized by extremists in the name of free speech and equal
rights. In the extreme, you even hear of churches debating whether or not to
allow homosexual clergy and the like....What Bible are they
reading?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=#222222 size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">These are merely
some of the reasons that it is imperative that we band together on this issue;
other, more salient, ones follow. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=#222222 size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=#222222 size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #222222; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Biology,
physiology, reproduction, traditional morality, ethics, mindless denigration
of the institution of marriage, God’s law (the Bible), nature, pervasive,
incurable disease, the family, homosexual supremacy groups, loss of
masculinity, female mistreatment, not to mention the empirical social-science
evidence about what happens in societies where homosexuality is normalized
(Netherlands, Canada, and Spain for example). If we sit idly by, we are
doomed. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Was the naming of <I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">“<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on"><U1:PLACE u2:st="on"><U1:PLACENAME
u2:st="on">Brokeback</st1:PlaceName></U1:PLACENAME> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on"><U1:PLACETYPE
u2:st="on">Mountain</st1:PlaceType></st1:place></U1:PLACETYPE></U1:PLACE>”</SPAN></I>
strategic, symbolic of how our Nation’s back/will has been broke by
homosexual activists? Well, neither my back nor my will has been broken… I
will not sit silently while a vocal minority imposes their disgusting
perversions on the rest of the world. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ed</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In a similar vein....we should
refrain from the use of the word "gay" when referring to homosexuals. The
innocent word that implies lively and spirited has been hijacked by the far
left resulting in some oxymoronic pseudonym.....</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message -----
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV style="font-color: black">
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=joanopyr@moscow.com href="mailto:joanopyr@moscow.com">Joan Opyr</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020
Moscow</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Friday,
April 21, 2006 12:34 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
[Vision2020] Crazy Train<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Dear Visionaries:<BR><BR>I am done arguing with
Donovan. Perhaps not forever, but certainly for <BR>now. If list
members want to talk about water, let's talk about water. <BR> We
cannot, however, only talk about water. There's more at stake in
<BR>the future of <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>. Smart growth, dumb growth,
and anti-growth; <BR>growth that benefits the few, not the many.
There's also urban <BR>renewal, development options, the <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType> of
<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Idaho</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>, traffic along
<BR>the Miracle Mile, and parking in the downtown retail district. As
we <BR>get into issues of cultural hegemony and differing visions of what
<BR>constitutes a healthy and diverse community, we're bound to get into
<BR>sticky territory. We're facing a constitutional amendment banning
<BR>same-sex marriage on the November ballot. I expect some important
and <BR>potentially hot debates over that. And when we do get around
to it, I <BR>warn you, Pastor You-Know-Who and his You-Know-Church will
likely serve <BR>as both the tar baby and the briar patch. If
He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named <BR>takes as active a role in this political fight
as he took in the 1994 <BR>battle over Proposition One, then it's going to
get hot in here. Might <BR>want to open a window.<BR><BR>That said, I
think it's important to recognize that unmoderated chat <BR>groups are like
the railroad tracks in a Roadrunner cartoon. We, the <BR>list members,
are like Wile E. Coyote. We're on the train, chasing the
<BR>Roadrunner, when we look out the window and see that we're running out
<BR>of track. So, we open up the Acme box and hang out on the engine,
<BR>laying track before the train just as fast as we can. What
happens? <BR>We find ourselves halfway over a chasm; we look down,
pause, and drop, <BR>right to the bottom of a deep canyon, where we thump to
a halt in a <BR>cloud of dust. But we always get back up again.
That's the nature of <BR>this list, and it's the nature of every other
unmoderated list. <BR>Freedom of expression is not freedom from
annoyance, and if it were, <BR>I'd be bored senseless. This is a great
community, and I'm always <BR>interested to hear what most of you have to
say.<BR><BR>It's true that my Bozo Bin is wide and deep, and that I filter
out <BR>quite a few posters, but I have relatives that I don't like,
either. I <BR>don't want to hang out with them, but I don't think they
should be <BR>tossed from the family. I still meet up with them once a
year at the <BR>family reunion, and we watch one another eat fried
chicken. (It's <BR>always too greasy. Best to stick to the
deviled eggs.)<BR><BR>Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment<BR><A
href="http://www.joanopyr.com">www.joanopyr.com</A><BR><BR>_____________________________________________________<BR> List
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