[Vision2020] Getting to draw the lines and pseudonyms

[Michael]

Gary,

 

Ok, thanks.  I do think that argumentatively, pointing out the relationship
between CC and other churches is very important and fairly potent.  It is a
complex situation, but I do find it remarkable how one church in a small
community could so consistently claim literal 'persecution' from the local
secular culture while all other local churches, some of which are actually
somewhat associated with this church, 1) do not claim any persecution at all
and 2) do not find any reason to come to the aid or defense of the church
claiming persecution. There is actually more interesting stuff along these
lines, but these basic facts are significant in themselves, it seems to me.
That's why I like Tom's question.

 

Thanks

Michael Metzler 

 

 

gary wrote:

My  point was, to indicate that because something is not happening therefore
"X", is an extremely weak technique for making an argument. Little more and
nothing less. The fact that you like hansen's query better than mine ,of
course, comes as no surprise considering your current biases. Not being a
member of "the churches of Moscow" puts me at a severe disadvantage when it
come to addressing the question on their behalf. Perhaps the question would
be better put to Ms. Mix since she seems to be the list's arbiter of what is
"unChristian" and what is not and is willing to point out how they are
"mistaken."

 

gc

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Michael <mailto:metzler at moscow.com>  

To: vision2020 at moscow.com 

Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 10:55 AM

Subject: [Vision2020] Getting to draw the lines and pseudonyms

 

Gary Writes:

If Christ Church is the purveyor of evil that you say it is, why are no
churches in Moscow rushing to join you in your crusade to make their
existence difficult? Could it be that these same churches see you and yours
as "something else?"

 

Me:

I'm not sure if I understand the point argued here.  This could be taken as
an argument for the fact that CC is not a purveyor of evil to the extent
that some on Vision 2020 claim; or else it could be taken as an argument
that other churches do not like the way some on Vision 2020 publicly
criticize CC.  I do not think it would be good to take it as a valid
argument for both of these claims however.  So perhaps Gary could clarify
his point.  There are churches or other Christians that do significantly
agree with some of the assessment of CC found here on Vision 2020, so it
would seem that Gary's work will be a bit tricky if he wants to pick the
former claim. 

 

Also, I believe that Tom's question-what Gary is responding to here-is a
good one; I do not believe Gary has successfully addressed that question
here.

 

Michael Metzler

 

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