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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Gary</span></font></st1:place></st1:City>,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Ok, thanks. I do think that argumentatively, pointing out the
relationship between CC and other churches is very important and fairly
potent. It is a complex situation, but I do find it remarkable how one
church in a small community could so consistently claim literal ‘persecution’
from the local secular culture while all other local churches, some of which
are actually somewhat associated with this church, 1) do not claim any persecution
at all and 2) do not find any reason to come to the aid or defense of the
church claiming persecution. There is actually more interesting stuff along
these lines, but these basic facts are significant in themselves, it seems to
me. That’s why I like Tom’s question.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Michael Metzler <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>gary</span></font></st1:City></st1:place>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>My point was, to indicate that because something is not happening
therefore "X", is an extremely weak technique for making an
argument. Little more and nothing less. The fact that you like hansen's
query better than mine ,of course, comes as no surprise considering your
current biases. Not being a member of "the churches of <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>" puts me at a severe disadvantage
when it come to addressing the question on their behalf. Perhaps the question
would be better put to Ms. Mix since she seems to be the list's arbiter of what
is "unChristian" and what is not and is willing to point out how they
are "mistaken."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>gc<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:metzler@moscow.com"
title="mailto:metzler@moscow.com metzler@moscow.com">Michael</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Friday, April 21,
2006 10:55 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> [Vision2020]
Getting to draw the lines and pseudonyms<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font size=4
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Gary</span></font></st1:City></st1:place><font
size=4><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> Writes:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
14.0pt'>If <st1:PersonName w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Christ</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Church</st1:PlaceType></st1:PersonName> is the
purveyor of evil that you say it is, why are no churches in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City></st1:place> rushing to join you in your crusade to
make their existence difficult? Could it be that these same churches see you
and yours as "something else?"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
14.0pt'>Me:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
14.0pt'>I’m not sure if I understand the point argued here. This
could be taken as an argument for the fact that CC is not a purveyor of evil to
the extent that some on Vision 2020 claim; or else it could be taken as an
argument that other churches do not like the way some on Vision 2020 publicly
criticize CC. I do not think it would be good to take it as a valid
argument for both of these claims however. So perhaps <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Gary</st1:City></st1:place> could clarify his point. There are
churches or other Christians that do significantly agree with some of the
assessment of CC found here on Vision 2020, so it would seem that <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Gary</st1:City></st1:place>’s work will be
a bit tricky if he wants to pick the former claim. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
14.0pt'>Also, I believe that Tom’s question—what <st1:City w:st="on">Gary</st1:City>
is responding to here—is a good one; I do not believe <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Gary</st1:City></st1:place> has successfully addressed that question
here.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
14.0pt'>Michael Metzler<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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