[Vision2020] Re: Never Letting Go

Sat Apr 1 23:31:05 PST 2006

Donovan et. al.

I am not a lawyer, though on Vision2020 I get to play one!

But in my simple minded brain, it seems that the taxes that businesses pay
help support the parking spaces they need to attract customers to the CBD.
If an operation is not paying the same taxes, taxes that other businesses
are paying to support the parking spaces, and the patrons of the tax exempt
operation are taking parking spaces away from potential customers that would
have patronized the tax paying businesses, the tax paying businesses are
being robbed of some of the benefits they expect from their taxes, by a tax
exempt operation.

Maybe I have this wrong.  Please excuse my simple brain.

But the main issue was whether a Madrassa seeking to operate in the CBD
would have received the same treatment as NSA in being allowed to establish
itself there, and whether those who think progressives are hypocrites in
opposing NSA's presence in the CBD would be acting quite differently if
there was a Madrassa now established in the CBD.

Perhaps you could address this point?

I'm done for today.  Three posts and I'm out!  I'm just glad the posts are
not felonies, because in California I'd be in for life.

I keep trying to ignore this silly list serve... And no doubt there are some
who wish I would.  I am suffering from the illusion that I can really make a
difference via words posted on computer screens on the Internet.  Where did
I get that unrealistic idealistic notion?  Money talks and bullshit walks!
I can BS, but I have little cash, so I guess I'm walking...

You work with the disabled, correct?  Is there a local treatment program for
Internet list serve addiction?  Some kind of twelve step program?  I could
attend and announce "My name is Ted, and I am a listservaholic."

If there is such a support group, do you attend?

I'm sorry, that was mean... I'll blame it on my dysfunctional childhood.  I
do try to be kind in all my interactions with living beings, but we all have
our limits, except the saints among us, and even then...

Have fun Donovan!  Life is too short, as we say.

Ted Moffett

On 4/1/06, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Ted,
>
> You wrote, "Suddenly the violations of zoning law involving placing a tax
> exempt higher education institution in the CBD, taking parking and business
> away from other tax paying businesses,"
>
> How does a church or any tax exempt entity take away public parking from
> local businesses? Doesn't a business have to OWN the property in the first
> place to have it taken away?  Why am I obligated, as a taxpayer, to pay for
> X number of parking spaces for a business? Why does a business downtown get
> entitled to free parking at the taxpayer expense but businesses outside the
> CBD have to provide their own customer parking?
>
> Why do think that a business has business taken away from them? To make
> such a claim is to state that the public has an obligation to purchase
> products or services from a particular company just because it exists. I
> believe a business earns or fails to earn business from the public, it
> cannot be taken away from them because they do not own it.
>
> _DJA
>
>
>
>
> *Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> All:
>
> Many of those who proclaim the "progressives" who oppose the presence of
> NSA in the CBD are hypocrites violating their own standards of promoting
> diversity and religious tolerance might sing a different tune if instead of
> NSA in the CBD, there was a Madrassa teaching 150 Islamic youth that the
> USA was "the Great Satan."
>
> Then we would see who the hypocrites really are in this attempt to turn
> progressive values against progressives!
>
> Suddenly the violations of zoning law involving placing a tax exempt
> higher education institution in the CBD, taking parking and business away
> from other tax paying businesses, might be a hot issue for those who think
> Islam is not the true religion of God.  In fact, I suspect it likely such a
> school in the CBD would have been stopped based on the zoning regs. before
> it was even established.
>
> Selective enforcement of the law is a cornerstone of bigotry and
> intolerance, with favors and a "wink" handed out to those who confrom to the
> values and ideology of those in power.
>
> Ted Moffett
>
> On 4/1/06, John D <johnd550 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Joan Opyr <joanopyr at moscow.com> wrote:
> >
> > > If Doug Wilson did not claim to be Christian, if he called himself
> > > the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh and his followers shaved their heads
> > > and dressed in saffron robes, I suspect he wouldn't get away with
> > > nearly so much.
> >
> > Interesting point!
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