[Vision2020] Well Goosh Ralph

Sat Sep 17 16:39:00 PDT 2005

Andreas

The Center for Media and Democracy, the left's group for defining such 
things, gives its list of who they define as being Neo-Cons and who sets 
that agenda as;

"Neoconservative forums and advocates

The early leaders of the neoconservative movement were Irving Kristol 
(author of 1983 book Reflections of a Neoconservative) and Norman Podhoretz, 
both of whom have served as editors of Commentary Magazine, the flagship 
publication of the American Jewish Committee, a centrist American-Jewish 
organization. On its webpage Commentary boasts it is known "as the 
intellectual home of the neoconservative movement" which is "vitally engaged 
in the preservation and spread of democracy and Western values." [4] 
(http://www.commentarymagazine.com/HTMLStubPage.asp)

Other magazines include the Weekly Standard, currently edited by William 
Kristol and owned by Rupert Murdoch. The editorial page of Wall Street 
Journal can generally be relied upon to promote solidly neoconservative 
analysis. Irving Kristol also founded The National Interest, a journal vying 
to compete with Foreign Affairs.

Important neoconservatives in American politics include Paul Dundes 
Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, David Wurmser, William Kristol (son of Irving 
Kristol), Elliott Abrams (son-in-law to Norman Podhoretz) and Douglas Jay 
Feith.

Think tanks and organizations closely related to the neoconservatives 
include American Enterprise Institute, Project for the New American Century 
and JINSA (Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs). "

Elliot Abrams is Jewish all day long and is the son in law of Norman 
Podhoretz, the founder of the movement.  You will note that not one of the 
non-Jewish members of PNAC is listed in the definition of Neo-Conservative 
on the Center for Media and Democracy's website.  Further, most of these 
Jewish conservative intellectuals are further defined in their wiki, 
disinfopedia.com, as Likkudists, even if they have no affiliation with 
Likkud or any relation to Israel.

As for Wolfowitz, he was the Undersecretary for Policy at OSD and its 
mission is as follows from the OSD website;

" Mission Statement

Under direction of the Secretary of Defense, the USD(P) is the principal 
staff assistant and advisor to the Secretary and Deputy Secretary of Defense 
for all matters concerning the formation of national security and defense 
policy and the integration and oversight of DoD policy and plans to achieve 
national security objectives. "

http://www.defenselink.mil/policy/

If you are interested in the organizational components of DoD, 
http://www.defenselink.mil/odam/omp/pubs/GuideBook/Pdf/DoD.PDF

That would place Wolfowitz as below the Deputy Secretary of Defense and one 
of five Under Secretaries.  I would think that at best that made him Second 
tier in a crowded field.

As for Perle, he was Chairman of the Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee 
(DPBAC) which is a group of former government employees and also defense 
contractors who offer advice to the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy 
and it includes appointees from Bechtel, Boeing, TRW, Northrop Grumman, 
Lockheed Martin and Booz Allen Hamilton and smaller players like Symantec 
Corp., Technology Strategies and Alliance Corp., and Polycom Inc.  There are 
30 advisors on the Board and it is interesting that only the Jewish advisors 
are listed as Neo-Cons by the Center for Media and Democracy.  These include 
Eliot A. Cohen, Ken Adelman and R. James Woolsey, Jr. as well as Henry 
Kissinger.

Perle resigned his post as Chairman of the Advisory Group March 26, 2003 
when Rumsfield and Bush categorically said that his views were not held by 
either the President or the Secretary of Defense.  He left the board 
entirely in February of 2004 when his stances on the UN and Saudi Arabia 
pushed the Bush Administration to completely disassociate with him.  Perle 
had called for a hard line stance to force the Saudi's to democracy.

Robert Zoellick is indeed Jewish, was one of the first signers for the PNAC, 
served as the US Trade Representative from 2001-2005 and has just been 
placed as the number two at State.  He is listed as a Ne0-Con, though most 
State Department insiders consider him non-ideological.

Douglas Feith is indeed Jewish and was also the author of the controversial 
paper that he and Perle wrote for the Likkud in 1996, for Benjamin 
Netanyahu’s rather than Ariel Sharon's government.  They called for support 
for the Iraqi opposition to topple Saddam Hussein as a means of halting 
Syrian support of Terrorism.  http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm

It is interesting that you note Francis Fukayama as a leading Neo-Con.  
http://www.inthenationalinterest.com/Articles/Vol3Issue31/Vol3Issue31Fukuyama.html

"Why neoconservatives, who argued for several decades against grandiose 
experiments in social engineering believed it would be a feasible project 
for the United States to democratize Iraq when efforts to raise test scores 
in Anacostia have failed remains a mystery. The United States over the last 
century has engaged in nearly 20 nation-building exercises, from the 
Philippines to Afghanistan.  Only three—postwar Germany, Japan and South 
Korea—can be hailed as unambiguous successes, and in each of these three 
cases the United States deployed large numbers of forces and has remained 
for decades. Yet, as Charles Krauthammer and others have noted, the United 
States is a commercial republic, not an empire.  There is little taste for 
ruling other countries, and Americans traditionally look for exit strategies 
to permit early and quick withdrawal. Indeed, in most cases the United 
States withdrew leaving nothing behind in terms of self-sustaining 
institutions or made things worse. While he expressed his hope this would 
not happen in Iraq, he noted that there is a chance it might."  Francis 
Fukuyama

Seems to me that his concerns pretty closely follow yours, Andreas.  He is 
not noted in any of the literature on the net from the left as a major 
player in the Neo-Con movement, though they do list him, 
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Neo-conservatives/list it seems 
solely because he signed the letter from PNAC to Clinton and that his Book 
The End of History was popular in neo-conservative circles.

I. Lewis Libby is indeed Jewish.  He serves as Chief of Staff to the Vice 
President and Wolfowitz was one of his Professors.

Mary Ellen Bork, the daughter of Judge Bork, is a Catholic.  
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/ind/bork_e/book_e.php  She works for PNAC and 
has no position with the US government.

Bolton and  Rumsfeld are listed as Neo-Cons, but Cheney, Poindexter and 
Franklin are not.  Franklin is pretty small fish, being a DIA Iran intel 
guy, a Catholic and not a signatory of any of the PNAC documents.  Other 
than his association with Israelis and the supposed leaking of Iran info to 
AIPAC, he has no roots in the Neo-Con agenda.

John Poindexter is not nor has he ever been a Neo-Con.  He is on no root 
documents of theirs.  I would guess that you are throwing him into this as a 
fun exercise, since he was convicted in Iran Contra.

So, your list of people you consider Neo-Cons is 13 people long.  Two of 
those on your list are not policy makers and are not Neo-cons.  Five people 
on your list are not Jewish and are policy makers, but two of those are not 
listed as Neo-Cons.  Six on your list are Jewish.

So 6 out of the 26 Jews currently serving in appointed positions with the 
Bush Administration are Jewish and Neoconservative that you list and the 
Lefts web lists 6 more,  so a total of 12 out of 26 Jews currently in the 
Administration.  Of the rest of the list of Neo-Cons from CMD, 
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Neo-conservatives/list a total of 
70 names, 65% are Jewish and of the non-Jews on the list, many of them are 
not Neo-Cons.

My point here is that any Jew who espouses anything to the right of Karl 
Marx and works for the GOP or is a Republican is instantly labeled a 
Neo-Con.  When they pick names to use in a left wiki to demonstrate who or 
what Neo-Conservatism is, they pick Jews.

And even you, who can not be considered anti-Semitic, pick mostly Jewish 
folks to make your list, Andreas.  Why is that?  Perhaps because any Jew who 
is not anti-Zionist or who is not completely committed to the Peace Movement 
gets lumped into the category?

Phil Nisbet

>From: Andreas Schou <ophite at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: ophite at gmail.com
>To: Phil Nisbet <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>CC: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Well Goosh Ralph
>Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 12:41:08 -0700
>
> > As I mentioned, code is frequent in racist literature. PNAC is headed by
> > Mr
> > Perle and he has been tied to Wolfowitz and several other Jewish middle
> > level bureaucrats as what is refered to as a Neo-Con Conspiracy. The 
>only
> > thing these genlteman have in common is that they are Jewish and not 
>from
> > the left of American politics. If I mention the name of a Junior 
>Proffesor
> > between the names of the University President and the Dean of a College,
> > am
> > I or am I not infering that all three indiviuals have equal weight in
> > power
> > and prestige?
>
>
>Phil --
>
>Wolfowitz and Perle were not "mid-level bureaucrats." Wolfowitz was, until
>recently, the #2 man in the Pentagon, and Perle was (up until he resigned)
>head of the Defense Policy Board -- the chief civilian advisor to the
>Pentagon. You're also leaving out other prominent neocons: Elliot Abrams
>(not Jewish), Robert Zoelick (not Jewish), Francis Fukayama (definitely not
>Jewish), Ellen Bork (not Jewish), Dick Cheney (not Jewish), Rumsfeld (not
>Jewish), Doug Feith (not Jewish), John Bolton (not Jewish), John Poindexter
>(not Jewish), Scooter Libby (not Jewish), and Larry Franklin (not Jewish).
>Of the neocons I can think of, only Wolfowitz and Perle -- and come to 
>think
>of it, maybe Doug Feith? -- are Jewish.
>
>All the identifying characteristics of a neocon except for one have nothing
>to do with Israel.
>
>Neocons are pro-business and relatively irreligious. They believe that only
>our alliances with Britain, Israel, and Eastern Europe are useful. They
>disdain internationalism, see the European Union as an economic threat
>rather than a potential ally, and believe in the projection of unilateral
>American power. Many were former liberals or leftists.
>
>I think you can produce a comprehensive list of neocons in government by
>listing the interlocking memberships of these groups: Reagan's 'Team B' 
>ICBM
>group, people indicted under Iran-Contra, people working for the Office of
>Special Plans under Doug Feith, and people involved in the smear campaign
>against Ambassador Wilson except for Karl Rove.
>
>They are largely distinguished by never having produced any policy or
>high-level decision that wasn't disastrous and then getting promoted for 
>it.
>
>
>Also, I assume you meant that neocons are from the "right".
>
>-- ACS

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