[Vision2020] Well Goosh Ralph

[Phil Nisbet]

And just to show that I was not kidding about David Duke, Cindy Sheehan and 
the Rowthron article, here is David Duke on the subject;


http://www.davidduke.com/index.php?p=350

"Courageously she has gone to Texas near the ranch of President Bush and 
braved the elements and a hostile Jewish supremacist media to demand a 
meeting with him and a good explanation why her son and other’s sons and 
daughters must die and be disfigured in a war for Israel rather than for 
America."

Attempts to deflect this critisism of Anit-Semitism in the Peace Movement 
are not justified by trying to claim its a stiffling of anti-Israeli 
critique.  They have nothing to do with each other.  Iraq is not about 
Israel, unless you are an anti-Semite like David Duke or Cindy Sheehan or Mr 
Rowthorn.

Phil Nisbet

PS  Pat is correct, we need to guard against these sorts of sentiment 
regardless of against whom they are directed.  Thanks Pat.

>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Well Goosh Ralph
>Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:53:52 -0700
>
>I have read the material that Phil is talking about and spoken to a local
>muslim that espoused the same material. For a good share of the world the
>Jews are FULLY responsible for ALL the wars and poverty in the world and we
>NEED to kill them ALL. If you haven't spoken to someone REALLY believes 
>this
>then your world needs enlightening. I got the same speech from a taxi 
>driver
>in Columbus GA in 1961 about black people. Both of these groups want us to
>wipe out an entire population and we need to fight it at all cost. We need
>to be aware when it is underlying the message that is in some authors
>writing or the people they hang out with. If a book is published by a
>business that mostly publishes a certain type of material the chances are
>very good that the material reflects the views of that publishing company.
>We need to watch and learn.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>To: <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 9:27 AM
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Well Goosh Ralph
>
>
>Sunil
>
>Some people may have supported the war in Iraq because the moon is made of
>cheddar cheese, but that would not justify a screed condemning Wisconsin or
>claims it was a Wisconsonian plot to take over the world.
>
>The letter in question makes very specific claims, that a group of Jews 
>were
>the prime movers in a War, that they did so not to benefit the United
>States, but to Israelize the Western World and that they overthrew a nice
>sweet and sunny secular government to accomplish that goal.  As you note,
>that was not the prime mover in the equation for moving on Iraq, making any
>claim that the war is all about Jewish plots out for what it is,
>Anti-Semitism pure and simple.
>
>As I noted, David Duke and the Neo-Nazis make similar claims to that
>obviously held by the author of the piece.  When a person's views are
>synchronous with virulent anti-Semites, I do not think it's a stretch to
>suggest that their ideas are motivated by something other than scholarly
>intent.
>
>Discussing the rest of the issues involved in war in Iraq is a worthy goal.
>Trying not only to determine where we went wrong, but also where we go from
>here considering the results on the ground, is something we need to do as a
>nation and as a community.  But as a community we need to condemn attempts
>to claim that the war is a vast Jewish Conspiracy or that Israel is its
>casus belli.
>
>As I note, read Susan Estrich on the subject of blaming Israel for Iraq.
>http://www.tzemach.org/fyi/docs/20050824estrich.htm  She is hardly some
>evile Neo-Con and holds views similar to many in our community with regard
>to Iraq, but can see through the role that Anti-Semites are now playing in
>the Peace Movement.
>
>Phil Nisbet
>
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