[Vision2020] Foot in mouth disease (was federal responsetoKatrina,
etc.)
Pat Kraut
pkraut at moscow.com
Tue Sep 13 13:57:34 PDT 2005
I agree we have a problem! But, is it truly a slow response because people
were black or because some people say it was?? I know the 'black leaders'
are trying to say it was but I did not see one Coast Guard helo avoid
rooftops because people were black. The question will be, should be, why
they ended up on rooftops and that is a local problem not a Fed one. I do
want an investigation into all of it because I am confident that the
truth...if we ever get the truth out of an investigation, will say that the
Feds weren't as bad as people would like the make others believe. If Brown
made a mistake it was in believing that the gov and mayor could handle
things as well as Florida or Mississippi could.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Westberg" <carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Foot in mouth disease (was federal
responsetoKatrina, etc.)
I don't know squat about what it's like going through a hurricane. I
consider it a tragedy when a stiff Moscow breeze drops a chunk of Palouse
topsoil under my contact lens. I don't know the first thing about hurricane
preparation, or coordinating the massive relief efforts currently underway.
I do know that, according to the Pew Center for the People and the Press,
only 26% of whites said the government response would have been faster if
most of the victims had been white, while 66% of blacks believe it would
have been. I think that says we have a problem.
Carl Westberg Jr.
>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Foot in mouth disease (was federal response
>toKatrina, etc.)
>Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:39:10 -0700
>
>Ah but silly me! I thought we were pouring money into a welfare system and
>a war on poverty that was supposed to 'fix' some of these issues. So, I
>guess you are saying to me that all those billions of dollars are not being
>spent on actually helping people!? On making the changes that we would all
>hope for them? I am aware of all the problems I just would like to see them
>actually get some real changes in their lives and stop throwing money at
>them. One of the things that Katrina points out is how futile some of the
>'good' work has been!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joan Opyr
> To: Vision2020 Moscow
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 11:07 PM
> Subject: [Vision2020] Foot in mouth disease (was federal response to
>Katrina, etc.)
>
>
> Pat Kraut writes:
>
>
> I too have wondered if any of the squawkers are aware of the massive
> problem. It wasn't perfect but it wasn't as bad as some would like us
>to
> believe. The black leadership is only accusing Bush of racism because
>they
> have failed their people so badly.Why were all those people, of any
>color,
> some of the poorest in the city, living so close to the problem? The
>whole
> area is run by democrats so the black leadership is desperately trying
>to
> blame anyone but them.
>
>
> Woman, if you keep your foot in your mouth much longer, you're going to
>have to have your tongue re-soled. Why were poor black people living so
>close to the problem? I don't know . . . because they were poor? Because
>they were black? Because they were poor and black? I understand that you
>are from Idaho, one of the whitest states in America, and, what's more,
>that you are from rural Northern Idaho. I know this, and I make allowances
>for your lack of first-hand knowledge about urban demographics, but surely
>-- surely -- even you must know that the poor always live on the wrong side
>of the tracks, or, in this case, the wrong side of the levees. The poor
>never occupy the high ground ANYWHERE. And who are the poor? In New
>Orleans, as in the rest of the South, the poor are predominantly black.
>Further, New Orleans, like most Southern cities, is still segregated. The
>South is no longer legally segregated, but it is an unfortunate political
>and economic reality that black people and white people do not live in the
>same neighborhoods. There are a few token African-Americans in a few
>upscale white neighborhoods, but I can assure you, there's a tipping point.
>When a neighborhood gets "too black," house prices drop and white flight
>begins.
>
> It's also the case that rich black people and poor black people don't
>live in the same neighborhoods, anymore than rich white people and poor
>white people do. Poor people of all colors live in the worst locations and
>in the greatest danger, always. Think back to when Paradise Creek here in
>Moscow flooded some years ago. Whose living rooms were drowned, the folks
>up in the $300,000 houses in Fort Russell and Indian Hills, or those in the
>more modest homes down on Blaine and Maybelle?
>
> As for your criticizing the black leadership of New Orleans and
>determining that "those people" have failed "their people" and thus are
>just hunting around now for scapegoats, do you really want to go there,
>Pat? I might argue (with some justification) that you yourself are
>desperately seeking some black Democrats to blame so that you can protect
>your white Republican idol, George Bush. A whole hell of a lot went wrong
>in New Orleans, things that didn't go wrong in North Carolina and South
>Carolina when hurricanes Hugo and Andrew hit. FEMA was run back then by a
>highly competent Clinton appointee; Hugo and Andrew came far inland and hit
>the economically prosperous, not just the coastal or river-dwelling poor;
>white people suffered in those hurricanes, not just poor black people --
>white people with a sense of entitlement and the privileged expectation
>that their needs would be met. If you don't think that any of that might
>have accounted for the faster, more satisfactory federal response, then you
>don't live in the same world I do.
>
> I suggested yesterday that Donovan board a bus for Kansas. Might I offer
>you a trip to Biloxi? No, wait -- no need to go quite that far. Why don't I
>just drop you off on Sprague Avenue in Spokane? I'll come back and pick you
>up -- just as soon as I've sold enough plasma to pay for the gas.
>
> Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
> www.auntie-establishment.com
>
>
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