[Vision2020] Foot in mouth disease (was federal response
toKatrina, etc.)
Donovan Arnold
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Tue Sep 13 22:45:19 PDT 2005
"I don't know the first thing about hurricane
preparation, or coordinating the massive relief
efforts currently underway." -- Carl Westberg
Carl, it sounds like you have all the qualifications
that Bush looks for in a FEMA director. Maybe you
should apply, I hear the position was recently
vacated.
Donovan J Arnold
> I don't know squat about what it's like going
> through a hurricane. I
> consider it a tragedy when a stiff Moscow breeze
> drops a chunk of Palouse
> topsoil under my contact lens. I don't know the
> first thing about hurricane
> preparation, or coordinating the massive relief
> efforts currently underway.
> I do know that, according to the Pew Center for the
> People and the Press,
> only 26% of whites said the government response
> would have been faster if
> most of the victims had been white, while 66% of
> blacks believe it would
> have been. I think that says we have a problem.
>
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> Carl Westberg Jr.
>
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> >From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
> >To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Foot in mouth disease
> (was federal response
> >toKatrina, etc.)
> >Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:39:10 -0700
> >
> >Ah but silly me! I thought we were pouring money
> into a welfare system and
> >a war on poverty that was supposed to 'fix' some of
> these issues. So, I
> >guess you are saying to me that all those billions
> of dollars are not being
> >spent on actually helping people!? On making the
> changes that we would all
> >hope for them? I am aware of all the problems I
> just would like to see them
> >actually get some real changes in their lives and
> stop throwing money at
> >them. One of the things that Katrina points out is
> how futile some of the
> >'good' work has been!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Joan Opyr
> > To: Vision2020 Moscow
> > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 11:07 PM
> > Subject: [Vision2020] Foot in mouth disease (was
> federal response to
> >Katrina, etc.)
> >
> >
> > Pat Kraut writes:
> >
> >
> > I too have wondered if any of the squawkers
> are aware of the massive
> > problem. It wasn't perfect but it wasn't as
> bad as some would like us
> >to
> > believe. The black leadership is only accusing
> Bush of racism because
> >they
> > have failed their people so badly.Why were all
> those people, of any
> >color,
> > some of the poorest in the city, living so
> close to the problem? The
> >whole
> > area is run by democrats so the black
> leadership is desperately trying
> >to
> > blame anyone but them.
> >
> >
> > Woman, if you keep your foot in your mouth much
> longer, you're going to
> >have to have your tongue re-soled. Why were poor
> black people living so
> >close to the problem? I don't know . . . because
> they were poor? Because
> >they were black? Because they were poor and black?
> I understand that you
> >are from Idaho, one of the whitest states in
> America, and, what's more,
> >that you are from rural Northern Idaho. I know
> this, and I make allowances
> >for your lack of first-hand knowledge about urban
> demographics, but surely
> >-- surely -- even you must know that the poor
> always live on the wrong side
> >of the tracks, or, in this case, the wrong side of
> the levees. The poor
> >never occupy the high ground ANYWHERE. And who are
> the poor? In New
> >Orleans, as in the rest of the South, the poor are
> predominantly black.
> >Further, New Orleans, like most Southern cities, is
> still segregated. The
> >South is no longer legally segregated, but it is an
> unfortunate political
> >and economic reality that black people and white
> people do not live in the
> >same neighborhoods. There are a few token
> African-Americans in a few
> >upscale white neighborhoods, but I can assure you,
> there's a tipping point.
> >When a neighborhood gets "too black," house prices
> drop and white flight
> >begins.
> >
> > It's also the case that rich black people and
> poor black people don't
> >live in the same neighborhoods, anymore than rich
> white people and poor
> >white people do. Poor people of all colors live in
> the worst locations and
> >in the greatest danger, always. Think back to when
> Paradise Creek here in
> >Moscow flooded some years ago. Whose living rooms
> were drowned, the folks
> >up in the $300,000 houses in Fort Russell and
> Indian Hills, or those in the
> >more modest homes down on Blaine and Maybelle?
> >
> > As for your criticizing the black leadership of
> New Orleans and
> >determining that "those people" have failed "their
> people" and thus are
> >just hunting around now for scapegoats, do you
> really want to go there,
> >Pat? I might argue (with some justification) that
> you yourself are
> >desperately seeking some black Democrats to blame
> so that you can protect
> >your white Republican idol, George Bush. A whole
> hell of a lot went wrong
> >in New Orleans, things that didn't go wrong in
> North Carolina and South
> >Carolina when hurricanes Hugo and Andrew hit. FEMA
> was run back then by a
> >highly competent Clinton appointee; Hugo and Andrew
> came far inland and hit
> >the economically prosperous, not just the coastal
> or river-dwelling poor;
> >white people suffered in those hurricanes, not just
> poor black people --
> >white people with a sense of entitlement and the
> privileged expectation
> >that their needs would be met. If you don't think
> that any of that might
> >have accounted for the faster, more satisfactory
> federal response, then you
> >don't live in the same world I do.
> >
> > I suggested yesterday that Donovan board a bus
> for Kansas. Might I offer
> >you a trip to Biloxi? No, wait -- no need to go
> quite that far. Why don't I
> >just drop you off on Sprague Avenue in Spokane?
> I'll come back and pick you
> >up -- just as soon as I've sold enough plasma to
> pay for the gas.
> >
> > Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
> > www.auntie-establishment.com
> >
> >
> >
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