[Vision2020] Of Deltas and CO2

Fri Sep 9 09:45:54 PDT 2005

Pat writes:

"But then I don't live in Lewiston and rarely go down there.  If I did live there I would certainly check it out."

Like others on this list I am amazed and overwhelmed at the depth of your compassion and concern for your fellow humankind and neighbors.

Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
deco at moscow.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Of Deltas and CO2

> Perhaps some of the newer citizens don't know this but Dworshak actually had
> a crack in it that I believe has been fixed. I can assure you that it was
> something that prompted a lot of planning and thought on all of us. Yes, it
> could happen. An earthquake and it would be one huge wall of water coming
> down that canyon that would clear everything in its path. As I remember the
> talk at that time the wall would go at least half way to Portland. But,
> plans were made and I don't think they would lose them. If they are updated
> I don't know. But then I don't live in Lewiston and rarely go down there.
> If I did live there I would certainly check it out.
> PK
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kit Craine" <kcraine at moscow.com>
> To: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
> Cc: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 6:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Of Deltas and CO2
> 
> 
> However, imagine Dworsak (or however its spelled) beginning to bulge.
> There’s just enough time to evacuate maybe 10,000 people up the
> hill--to Moscow. Then, the dam breaks! Lewiston, Clarkston, Lapwai,
> Orofino, and may other towns in the canyons are wiped out!
> 
> Of course, the levees do no good. We just lose a chunk of our place and
> a few people.
> 
> Moving right along, to the next topic.
> 
> Kit Craine
> 
> 
> On Sep 8, 2005, at 4:45 PM, Pat Kraut wrote:
> 
>> No wonder I feel sometimes that I am missing part of the conversation!
>> I just checked my postini account at FSR and there were some emails
>> there of which this is one.
>> Lewiston and Clarkston do not get hurricanes. The ocean is a few miles
>> away. The entire area is not deteriorating the levees are not in
>> danger of breaking. Not the same thing.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: Sunil Ramalingam
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 1:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Of Deltas and CO2
>>
>>
>> Should we get rid of the levees in Lewiston and Clarkston?
>>
>> Sunil
>>
>>  From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>> To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Of Deltas and CO2
>> Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:12:53 -0700
>>
>>
>> I do not want us to repair any more levees. Something is terribly
>> wrong when you can stand on a street and see ships go by above you!
>> This is an opportunity for the area to move back and let the ocean
>> have its land back. Just how much money do you think it would take to
>> 'study' it one more time. Just how much do we spend to 'save' New
>> Orleans?? It really isn't that 'special' a city! It is time to go a
>> totally different direction.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: Tom Hansen
>> To: 'Andreas Schou' ; 'Pat Kraut'
>> Cc: 'vision2020'
>> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 6:12 AM
>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Of Deltas and CO2
>>
>>
>> I am with you 100%, Andreas.
>>
>>
>>
>> Under our current president, FEMA was relegated to being a sub-agency
>> within Homeland Security, thus drastically reducing its budget.
>>
>>
>>
>> And who does Bush appoint as Under Secretary of Homeland Security for
>> Emergency Preparedness and Response (FEMA)?
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael D. Brown, a former Colorado and Oklahoma attorney and former
>> bar examiner on ethics and professional responsibility for the
>> Oklahoma Supreme Court, a person with virtually no experience in
>> emergency management. An attorney in charge of our nation’s emergency
>> management? He may not be able to solve anything, but he will most
>> certainly be able to put some serious spin on his responses to
>> questions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ms Kraut stated:
>>
>>
>>
>> “Why does everyone want to make the Fed responsible for everything??
>> When did they take over?”
>>
>>
>>
>> HUH?? What part of “Federal Emergency Management” are you struggling
>> with, Ms Kraut?
>>
>>
>>
>> FEMA is struggling to identify additional large temporary holding
>> facilities (comparable to the Houston Astrodome). This is a simple
>> question that should have been addressed a couple years ago when the
>> mayor of New Orleans and the governor of Louisiana were seeking
>> federal funds to repair the 17th Street levee.
>>
>>
>>
>> But then, we wouldn’t want to interrupt George Bush’s vacation with
>> something so trivial now, would we?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>>
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>>
>>
>> "If not us, who?
>> If not now, when?"
>>
>> - Unknown
>>
>>
>>
>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Schou
>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 8:02 PM
>> To: Pat Kraut
>> Cc: vision2020
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Of Deltas and CO2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/3/05, Pat Kraut <pkraut at moscow.com> wrote:
>>
>> I disagree! Someone in Louisiana should have told her! Why does
>> everyone
>> want to make the Fed responsible for everything?? When did they take
>> over?
>>  The locals could have done whole rescue operation if they had paid
>> attention. There is a picture circulating showing the school buses all
>> under
>> water. The mayor could have confiscated them and sent those people out
>> of
>> town by force. But, he keeps yelling about the feds not coming in
>> time! He
>> is just hoping no one asks him too many questions.\
>>
>>
>>
>> Pat --
>>
>>
>>
>> It is the federal government's responsibility, like it or not, to do
>> disaster relief. You can argue about whether or not it should be their
>> responsibility later, but the fact is, at the time of Hurricane
>> Katrina, it was FEMA's responsibility to handle the evacuation
>> planning and then pick up the pieces.
>>
>>
>>
>> George W. had put a chronic fuck-up in charge of FEMA who was fired
>> from his last job for malfeasance, dismantled their planning office as
>> it transitioned to the Department of Homeland Security, sent the
>> Louisiana National Guard to search for phantom WMDs in Iraq, cut all
>> disaster mitigation funding to the /entire state/ of Louisiana, and
>> defunded the levees. It is at his desk that the buck stops, but he and
>> his stand-ins are doing their best to blame everybody else: the
>> victims, the first responders, the police, the looters. Thisis a
>> failure of management at the highest levels: food was dropped in Banda
>> Aceh, Indonesia, within /two days/ of the tsunami. Food got to New
>> Orleans, LA, /today/, or six days after the hurricane. We are a
>> first-world nation. This should not be happening here.
>>
>>
>>
>> If I had done this in my work, I would have had my ass canned, and
>> then I would have been sued, and for God's sake, they would have been
>> right to do it, too. This administration has abdicated any pretense of
>> taking responsibility for its
>>
>>
>>
>> -- ACS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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