[Vision2020] Wrong - again

Wed Sep 7 19:54:12 PDT 2005

Well, we all know which of the two of you has the
courage to sign their real name to their posts.
Especially when launching unfounded attacks on the
character of those they disagree with.

Most people on here have already, conservative,
moderate or liberal, acknowledged that attacking
people and their character without signing your real
name is the tactic of only the shallowest of posters. 

Take Care,

Donovan J Arnold

--- J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Since you have not met most of us, YOU are the one
> that does not know a hole 
> in the ground from other places.
> 
> Those of us who have called Pat to task are taking
> part in helping put 
> things together to send to LA.  Since you are not in
> a position to know any 
> different, perhaps you need to not speak.
> 
> I am very aware of Pat's helping of other people -
> but when anyone shows 
> this much contempt and this much lack of knowledge
> about a subject and a 
> community she is not even familiar with, I feel it
> needs to be pointed out 
> to her....and, it seems, to you.  There are many of
> us that have family and 
> friends down there and even if we didn't, we'd be
> and are some of the first 
> in this community to step forward and help.  The
> City Council is just NOW 
> getting their act together and the MPD is leaving
> tonight to help out - on 
> their own and by their own expense.  Seems to me, we
> need to be supporting 
> their efforts with donations and not criticism.
> 
> I realize you are in the habit of speaking against
> those of us you don't 
> know and you tend to take on the issues of those
> that you feel are being 
> dogged, but this is just another case of you getting
> your "facts" wrong.
> 
> 
> J  ;)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> >To: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>,
> pkraut at moscow.com,        
> >vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Lack of Compassion
> >Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 23:00:13 -0700 (PDT)
> 
> >I am not defending Pat Kraut's position because I
> do
> >not agree with it. However, I think all of you that
> >are attacking her for lacking compassion are wrong.
> >
> >I lived next to Pat Kraut for 1 1/2 years and still
> >live near her. I know that she spends a lot more of
> >her time helping people than the lot of you
> combined
> >making accusations against her.
> >
> >Pat does not brag about how sorry she feels about
> >other people, she actually does something to help
> >them.
> >
> >If you do not agree with her thinking, that is
> fine.
> >But all of you that do not do crap but gripe and
> say
> >how sorry you feel for someone while accusing those
> >that actually do something for people or lacking
> >compassion are just the town gossip hypocrites that
> do
> >not know their ass from a hole in the ground.
> >
> >Saying you pity people in N.O. MORE THAN SOMEONE
> ELSE
> >on Vision 2020 does nothing to help them, it is
> >clearly done just to make yourself feel better
> about
> >yourself.
> >
> >Donovan J Arnold
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
> > > To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Lack of Compassion
> > > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:14:36 -0700
> > >
> > > So, the day the storm was hitting Florida and
> they
> > > were saying that it was
> > > coming up the coast they couldn't have filled a
> > > jug?? Even at a category 1
> > > hurricane surely that would have made sense.
> Long
> > > before the roads flooded
> > > and the mayor stopped the buses running
> something
> > > could have been done.
> > > Now, I am hearing a lot on the radio, C-span and
> > > emails from friends and
> > > relatives in the south about the problems how
> they
> > > were and weren't handled.
> > > Heroes are everywhere as are scum and the evil
> just
> > > as in any situation.
> > > Many are beginning to ask the same questions I
> have.
> > > In 2002 the
> > > Times-Picayune wrote an article eerily just like
> > > what has happened this last
> > > week. THEY KNEW this was GOING to happen!! To
> have
> > > done nothing more for
> > > those people is criminal. I have more compassion
> > > than some of you because I
> > > DO NOT want this to happen again. It would be
> > > criminal all over again. Can
> > > you not understand that?? I am hearing questions
> > > about what happened to the
> > > monies sent to have food and water available in
> the
> > > city many years ago.
> > > This governor should be impeached. The Mayor
> needs
> > > to have his checking
> > > accounts examined. I am really looking forward
> to
> > > the head rolling.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> > > To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 1:10 PM
> > > Subject: [Vision2020] Lack of Compassion
> > >
> > >
> > > A saying my Gram would use to remind me just how
> > > fortunate we were when we
> > > would see people living on the street and I
> would
> > > complain that we had
> > > little more to eat than potatoes and "ketchup"
> soup
> > > (again!):
> > >
> > > "There, but for the Grace of God, go I."
> > >
> > > We need to be thankful for our fortune and be
> > > willing to help those in
> > > desperate need as LA and MI are now.  It COULD
> > > happen here, it COULD be us
> > > there, it COULD be one day soon that we may need
> > > help and we would not want
> > > others to say "Why didn't they just move/work
> > > harder/stop being poor/be a
> > > different race, etc.
> > >
> > > Since the water in LA/MI has been contaminated
> for
> > > days, just where do you
> > > expect them to fill their "milk jugs" from? 
> Since
> > > their homes/lives have
> > > been lost, where do you expect them to go to
> start
> > > over?  Since there are
> > > families displaced and separated from one
> another,
> > > where do you expect them
> > > to turn to find their family members or to be
> found
> > > by them?  Since the
> > > roads out of town have been flooded/bridges
> > > destroyed, just how do you
> > > expect the Governor to have gotten buses in
> there
> > > before they did?
> > >
> > > Wailing at God is something that Job did after
> he
> > > lost everything and God
> > > not only listened, He had compassion and mercy
> on
> > > His child and doubled his
> > > losses.
> > >
> > > Pat, shame on you for your lack of compassion
> and
> > > simple humanity.
> > >
> > > J  :(
> 
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