[Vision2020] Wrong - again
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Wed Sep 7 16:35:06 PDT 2005
Since you have not met most of us, YOU are the one that does not know a hole
in the ground from other places.
Those of us who have called Pat to task are taking part in helping put
things together to send to LA. Since you are not in a position to know any
different, perhaps you need to not speak.
I am very aware of Pat's helping of other people - but when anyone shows
this much contempt and this much lack of knowledge about a subject and a
community she is not even familiar with, I feel it needs to be pointed out
to her....and, it seems, to you. There are many of us that have family and
friends down there and even if we didn't, we'd be and are some of the first
in this community to step forward and help. The City Council is just NOW
getting their act together and the MPD is leaving tonight to help out - on
their own and by their own expense. Seems to me, we need to be supporting
their efforts with donations and not criticism.
I realize you are in the habit of speaking against those of us you don't
know and you tend to take on the issues of those that you feel are being
dogged, but this is just another case of you getting your "facts" wrong.
J ;)
>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>To: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>, pkraut at moscow.com,
>vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Lack of Compassion
>Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 23:00:13 -0700 (PDT)
>I am not defending Pat Kraut's position because I do
>not agree with it. However, I think all of you that
>are attacking her for lacking compassion are wrong.
>
>I lived next to Pat Kraut for 1 1/2 years and still
>live near her. I know that she spends a lot more of
>her time helping people than the lot of you combined
>making accusations against her.
>
>Pat does not brag about how sorry she feels about
>other people, she actually does something to help
>them.
>
>If you do not agree with her thinking, that is fine.
>But all of you that do not do crap but gripe and say
>how sorry you feel for someone while accusing those
>that actually do something for people or lacking
>compassion are just the town gossip hypocrites that do
>not know their ass from a hole in the ground.
>
>Saying you pity people in N.O. MORE THAN SOMEONE ELSE
>on Vision 2020 does nothing to help them, it is
>clearly done just to make yourself feel better about
>yourself.
>
>Donovan J Arnold
>
>
>
>
>--- keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
> > To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Lack of Compassion
> > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:14:36 -0700
> >
> > So, the day the storm was hitting Florida and they
> > were saying that it was
> > coming up the coast they couldn't have filled a
> > jug?? Even at a category 1
> > hurricane surely that would have made sense. Long
> > before the roads flooded
> > and the mayor stopped the buses running something
> > could have been done.
> > Now, I am hearing a lot on the radio, C-span and
> > emails from friends and
> > relatives in the south about the problems how they
> > were and weren't handled.
> > Heroes are everywhere as are scum and the evil just
> > as in any situation.
> > Many are beginning to ask the same questions I have.
> > In 2002 the
> > Times-Picayune wrote an article eerily just like
> > what has happened this last
> > week. THEY KNEW this was GOING to happen!! To have
> > done nothing more for
> > those people is criminal. I have more compassion
> > than some of you because I
> > DO NOT want this to happen again. It would be
> > criminal all over again. Can
> > you not understand that?? I am hearing questions
> > about what happened to the
> > monies sent to have food and water available in the
> > city many years ago.
> > This governor should be impeached. The Mayor needs
> > to have his checking
> > accounts examined. I am really looking forward to
> > the head rolling.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> > To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 1:10 PM
> > Subject: [Vision2020] Lack of Compassion
> >
> >
> > A saying my Gram would use to remind me just how
> > fortunate we were when we
> > would see people living on the street and I would
> > complain that we had
> > little more to eat than potatoes and "ketchup" soup
> > (again!):
> >
> > "There, but for the Grace of God, go I."
> >
> > We need to be thankful for our fortune and be
> > willing to help those in
> > desperate need as LA and MI are now. It COULD
> > happen here, it COULD be us
> > there, it COULD be one day soon that we may need
> > help and we would not want
> > others to say "Why didn't they just move/work
> > harder/stop being poor/be a
> > different race, etc.
> >
> > Since the water in LA/MI has been contaminated for
> > days, just where do you
> > expect them to fill their "milk jugs" from? Since
> > their homes/lives have
> > been lost, where do you expect them to go to start
> > over? Since there are
> > families displaced and separated from one another,
> > where do you expect them
> > to turn to find their family members or to be found
> > by them? Since the
> > roads out of town have been flooded/bridges
> > destroyed, just how do you
> > expect the Governor to have gotten buses in there
> > before they did?
> >
> > Wailing at God is something that Job did after he
> > lost everything and God
> > not only listened, He had compassion and mercy on
> > His child and doubled his
> > losses.
> >
> > Pat, shame on you for your lack of compassion and
> > simple humanity.
> >
> > J :(
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> > >To: "'Pat Kraut'" <pkraut at moscow.com>,
> > "'vision2020'"
> > ><vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > >Subject: RE: @SPAM+++++++++ Re: [Vision2020]
> > Mississippi and FEMA
> > >Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 05:36:10 -0700
> >
> > >Thank you, Ms Kraut, for sharing the "insights"
> > below.
> > >
> > >Tom Hansen
> > >Moscow, Idaho
> > >
> > >"If not us, who?
> > >If not now, when?"
> > >
> > >- Unknown
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> > [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> > >On Behalf Of Pat Kraut
> > >Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 9:02 PM
> > >To: vision2020
> > >Subject: Re: @SPAM+++++++++ Re: [Vision2020]
> > Mississippi and FEMA
> > >
> > > >From the survey seems to say the split is just
> > about the same as here.
> > >But
> > >what I am hearing is a lot of questions and
> > attacks directed to the
> > >President which is unfair.
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Jeff Harkins" <jeffh at moscow.com>
> > >To: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
> > >Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 7:55 PM
> > >Subject: Re: @SPAM+++++++++ Re: [Vision2020]
> > Mississippi and FEMA
> > >
> > >
> > >Offline
> > >
> > >Hi Pat,
> > >
> > >I fear we are alone in this dialogue here. I
> > >have enjoyed your comments and appreciate your
> > insights.
> > >
> > >Some folks just don't get the concepts:
> > >
> > >Personal accountability
> > >Self-reliance
> > >State Sovereignty
> > >The difference between a helping hand and a
> > handout
> > >The government can't make life perfect - only the
> > individual can do that.
> > >
> > >At 04:48 PM 9/5/2005, you wrote:
> > > >I once has someone who went to Christ Church
> > explain to me that those
> > >from
> > > >Georgia felt differently about the Civil War and
> > I fear this comes under
> > >the
> > > >same description. I am sure that the south feels
> > that they have been
> > > >slighted by the Feds. They have raved for years
> > and they are well
> > trained
> > >to
> > > >seek the help of the Feds, not do anything to
> > help themselves. I do not
> > >care
> > > >how poor they are they could have filled some
> > milk jugs with water. The
> > > >mayor could have gotten the buses from the
> > schools and bused them out.
> > >The
> > > >National Guard is busy doing a lot of things
> > that is what they are
> > >trained
> > > >for and what we are paying them to do. You might
> > as well wail at God for
> > >the
> > > >timing of Katrina while the guard is stretched.
> > > >I am watching Lt Gen Carl Strock on C-Span right
> > now and he is most
> > > >fasinating.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> > > >To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > >Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 1:39 PM
> > > >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Mississippi and FEMA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Again, form the Sun-Herald (Biloxi,
> > Mississippi):
> > > >
> > > >"By Saturday [September 3, 2005], not much had
> > improved
>=== message truncated ===
>
>
>
>
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