[Vision2020] Mr. Mole (or The Wind in the Elders)

[Tom Hansen]

Saundra -

Are you expecting some sensible answer to come from Jerry Owen?  Not likely.

He and others take their queues from the house on Fifth and Washington where
they live by the old childhood concept of:

"I'm rubber.  Your glue . . . "

Take care, Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

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-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Saundra Lund
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:55 PM
To: 'Jerry Owen'; joanopyr at earthlink.net; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Mr. Mole (or The Wind in the Elders)

Well, that was quite the cleaver little retort, Jerry Owen, although I find
your comparison of Doug Wilson to Jesus rather offensive . . . not to
mention laughable!

You'd have done much better, I think, to answer the question Rose Huskey
asked you Thursday night regarding an allegation in your email.  In case you
missed it:  what people have been issued Cease and Desist orders for home
schooling???

I don't *really* think you missed Rose's question since you posted a
not-so-clever response to her inquiry, but I'm providing you the opportunity
to substantiate your allegation.  Otherwise, I will conclude that you were
lying simply to be divisive and to try to mobilize opposition to a
manufactured issue, something with which we're becoming all too familiar
from a certain faction in this community.

And if that's the case, Jerry Owen, then for shame, For Shame, FOR SHAME on
you.  That *certainly* isn't the behavior of people who want to contribute
good to our community.


Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.
Edmund Burke

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-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Jerry Owen
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:39 PM
To: joanopyr at earthlink.net; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Mr. Mole (or The Wind in the Elders)

Yeah, that's really insightful, Joan.  Jesus didn't have any betrayers or
moles among his followers, nor did David, Paul or anyone else in their 'real
church.'  You nailed it.  

Jerry
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	From:  Joan Opyr <joanopyr at earthlink.net>
	To:  Vision2020 Moscow <vision2020 at moscow.com>
	Subject:  [Vision2020] Mr. Mole (or The Wind in the Elders)
	Date:  Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:39:11 -0700
	>I'm happy to tell Jerry Owen where I got the memo I forwarded to 
	>Vision 2020 last night: I got it from a Christ Church mole.  There 
	>are several of them.  As many as Doug suspects?  More, perhaps,
than 
	>he fears?  Who knows?  All I can say is that they email me out of 
	>the blue, and they often ask me to forward things for them.  
	>Sometimes, I do; sometimes, I don't.  I rely on my own best 
	>judgment, and I always cut, paste, and strip the headers.
	>
	>What's that you say, Jerry?  You don't like it?  Neither, to be 
	>quite honest, do I.  It's my feeling that a real church wouldn't 
	>have moles; a real church wouldn't need them.  By my definition, a 
	>real church is a voluntary gathering of men and women who worship, 
	>think and pray as they see fit without fear of retaliation (either 
	>financial, spiritual or social) from their pastor.  The members of
a 
	>real church feel free to speak their dissent out loud and in public

	>-- before God, before their pastor, and before their fellow 
	>parishioners.  If Christ Church were a real church, if its members 
	>were truly free, then they wouldn't me emailing me.  They'd be 
	>speaking without fear to their elders and their pastor.  They 
	>wouldn't be turning for succor to a sympathetic lesbian Jew.
	>
	>You don't like that I forwarded your email, Jerry?  Then do 
	>something about it.  Take your concern to your pastor.  Ask him why

	>it is that Christ Church seems to generate more moles per capita 
	>than the Catholic Church during the Spanish Inquisition.  When he 
	>lies to you (and he will), try whispering the word "Duck" in his 
	>ear.  If he blushes, let me know and I will rejoice because at
least 
	>he's still capable of shame.  I suspect, however, that he'll just 
	>hide under his desk and write another nasty Blog and Mablog.
	>
	>"You can't hide your lying eyes,
	>And your smile is a thin disguise.
	>I thought by now you'd realize
	>There ain't no way to hide your lying eyes."
	>
	>The Eagles.  I hope you'll keep them in mind for next year's
Trinity 
	>Fest as a smart alternative to Lynyrd Skynyrd.
	>
	>Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
	>www.auntie-establishment.com
	>
	>PS: Do yourself a favor, Mr. Owen.  Reread "Labor of Love."  I just

	>did.  Yes, its author chose to remain anonymous, just like those 
	>poor Christ Church moles.  So what?  The temple of your soul is on 
	>fire, Mr. Owen.  A man has yelled stop, drop, and roll.  Do you 
	>really need to know his name?
	

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