[Vision2020] Poll on Idahostatesman.com
Tbertruss at aol.com
Tbertruss at aol.com
Mon Oct 10 14:51:07 PDT 2005
Joe Campbell wrote:
This is a judgment that White has made and I think it is a very good one, for
intelligent design smuggles in propositions that proponents of the thesis
are unwilling to reject, independent of empirical evidence to the contrary
(e.g., that the universe was created by an intelligent being).
It may be impossible to gather empirical evidence that decides with certainty
the truth value of the proposition that the universe was created by an
intelligent being. Even if a proponent of the proposition that the universe was
created by an intelligent being gladly accepts the condition that if empirical
evidence to the contrary is gathered, they will abandon the proposition, this
does not make the proposition "scientific," especially when gathering conclusive
empirical evidence to decide the proposition may be impossible.
There are an infinite number of theories than can be generated to explain any
phenomenon. The empirically testable theories that also have mathematical or
logical consistency are theories that can become "science." Of course there
are many daunting problems in philosophy of science that make this easy
definition problematic. But I if a theory has no practical means of being decided
by empirical data, or presents extreme mathematical or logical inconsistencies
or contradictions, the theory will not be accepted as a current "scientific"
theory, with some exceptions. Application of Occams Razor also is favored in
the world of science to avoid the endless variety of possible complex
speculative theories from creating, to put it simply, a big mess.
If a theory is more speculative/imaginary than based on measurable empirical
methods of investigation, or does not result in mathematical or logical
consistency with other accepted theories, nor with itself internally, though it may
remain possibly true, it will often not receive much attention from the
scientific community. Science does have certain "biases."
Maybe God created the universe and human life. Maybe aliens landed on Earth
millions of years ago and genetically engineered human intelligence. Both of
these theories are possible.
How does a science class teach these theories decided by empirical means?
What replicatable experiments or data gathering do we set up to scientifically
investigate these claims? Is there such an abundance of disagreement regarding
what sort of God may have created the universe (while we still do not even
understand what our universe is), with such a wide variety of possible methods,
that there is no well established theory as to how this could have happened
that fits our scientific understanding of how the universe operates, to enable
reliable testable means of scientifically deciding the matter?
And consider, if speculative religious theories about the operation of the
universe must be accepted as scientific theories in science classes, then shall
churches teach materialistic empirical science as a religious theory?
Maybe God is a fervent believer in empirical materialistic science, having
created the universe to function according to these sorts of laws, with no
"miraculous" intervention on his/her/its part after the creation of the universe!
For this God to intervene in his/her/its creation would be sacrilege against
the very laws of the universe this God established.
I do not cease to be amazed by the hubris of human beings who imagine they
can fathom the intentions and actions of a being (God) whom they assert created
the entire universe, an act which implies a God-mind and capabilities beyond
anything the human mind can conceive.
This is like saying a spider understand the intentions of a human being doing
quantum mechanics. The spider simply is incapable of understanding in this
manner, as human beings, speculatively speaking, very well may be incapable of
understanding the intentions and mind of a being that created the entire
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