[Vision2020] The Neo-Confederacy at Logos School

[Art Deco]

Michael,

I am sorry for my harsh words since it appears from your note that I failed to understand your usage of the phrase "around"here", thinking it meant the area not the forum, since I thought the question you asked referred to long going community discussions outside of V 2020 about Christ Church and related subjects.

Further, I hope that you will have patience to continue our discussion of induction.   It is a prelude to getting back to the problem of evil and related topics.  Remember, you wrote:

"Induction is the process of weighing evidence, where as deduction is syllogistic.  The differences between the two that I laid out is, as far as I can tell, common orthodoxy in the Universities.  I see rain clouds coming and so I believe "it will rain."  Then I walk into my living room and see the weather channel which tells me it will not rain.  Now my original conclusion is weakened, but I still think it will rain.  Then I see the sun coming out and the rain clouds moving in a different direction.  This third piece of evidence now makes my original conclusion very weak and I no longer think it will rain. Plantinga calls me up and tells me Doug Wilson has told God to make it rain; now I know with certainty that it will rain.  This is pretty basic cognitive stuff, and any higher level hypothesis formation, deductions, confirmation theories, and the like, are going to be built out of this basic cognitive behavior."



So far we do not have a disagreement in this thread.  It order to test and perhaps offer a very minor modification to your characterization of induction, it is necessary to be clear about and to agree upon certain fundamental things so that we may reach the maximum amount of agreement before our views finally diverge, if, in the end, they do.



So I beg for your patience in our discussion and I will try to keep it short, clear, and if possible, at times amusing, before actually addressing the problem of evil and related subjects again.



My misconstrual of the meaning of your usage of "around here" is another example of why you and I need to be very clear about the meanings of the words we use especially in the subjects of great ontological import we are discussing.



Again I offer my deepest apologies for misconstruing "around here" and the resulting accusations.


Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
deco at moscow.com






  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael 
  To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 12:27 PM
  Subject: [Vision2020] The Neo-Confederacy at Logos School


  Wayne,

   

  When I said "I'm still fairly new around here" I was referring to Vision 2020 and many of its oddities that I'm still familiarizing myself with.  I am still clueless as to what an "insider/outsider" is.  I asked a sincere question and I did not lie or contradict myself at all.   I think I've accomplished what I would want to for the most part regarding your "problem of evil" argument that has now turned into a discussion about induction.  I think I'm going to take a bit of a break from vision 2020, so I'll see you all sometime again in the near future.

   

  Thanks

  Michael Metzler

   

   

  Wayne Wrote:

   

  You have repeatedly said on this forum that you have been here 8 - 9 years.  In fact in an email from yesterday you said:

   

  "Hey, it has only been about 8 years I think."

   

  That statement does not sit well with another statement you made in an email that shortly followed it.

   

  "I'm still fairly new around here."

   

  Evidently you did not read my post to you about hidden premises/assumptions and unnecessary/irrelevant premises, etc.  Your false statement:

   

  "I'm still fairly new around here."

   

  is not necessary in order to get an answer to the question you posed:

   

  "What is a 'Christ Church insider/outsider'?"

   

  I am very disappointed by your behavior in this instance.

   



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