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<DIV><FONT size=4>Michael,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I am sorry for my harsh words since it appears from your note
that I failed to understand your usage of the phrase "around"here", thinking it
meant the area not the forum, since I thought the question you asked referred to
long going community discussions outside of V 2020 about Christ Church and
related subjects.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Further, I hope that you will have patience to
continue our discussion of induction. It is a prelude to
getting back to the problem of evil and related topics. Remember, you
wrote:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN lang=EN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">"Induction is the process of weighing evidence, where as
deduction is syllogistic. The differences between the two that I laid out
is, as far as I can tell, common orthodoxy in the Universities. I see rain
clouds coming and so I believe it will rain. Then I walk into my living
room and see the weather channel which tells me it will not rain. Now my
original conclusion is weakened, but I still think it will rain. Then I
see the sun coming out and the rain clouds moving in a different
direction. This third piece of evidence now makes my original conclusion
very weak and I no longer think it will rain. Plantinga calls me up and tells me
Doug Wilson has told God to make it rain; now I know with certainty that it will
rain. This is pretty basic cognitive stuff, and any higher level
hypothesis formation, deductions, confirmation theories, and the like, are going
to be built out of this basic cognitive behavior."</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN lang=EN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT face=Verdana><FONT
size=4></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN lang=EN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=4>So far we do not have a
disagreement in this thread. It order to test and perhaps offer a very
minor modification to your characterization of induction, it is
necessary to be clear about and to agree upon certain fundamental things so that
we may reach the maximum amount of agreement before our views finally diverge,
if, in the end, they do.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN lang=EN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT face=Verdana><FONT
size=4></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN lang=EN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=4>So I beg for your
patience in our discussion and I will try to keep it short, clear, and if
possible, at times amusing, before actually addressing the problem of evil and
related subjects again.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN lang=EN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT face=Verdana><FONT
size=4></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN lang=EN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=4>My misconstrual of the
meaning of your usage of "around here" is another example of why you and I need
to be very clear about the meanings of the words we use especially in the
subjects of great ontological import we are
discussing.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN lang=EN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT face=Verdana><FONT
size=4></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN lang=EN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=4>Again I offer my deepest
apologies for misconstruing "around here" and the resulting
accusations.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN lang=EN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=4><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A.
Fox)<BR><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana size=4><SPAN lang=EN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana size=4><SPAN lang=EN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV></FONT></FONT>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=metzler@moscow.com href="mailto:metzler@moscow.com">Michael</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 20, 2005 12:27
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] The Neo-Confederacy
at Logos School</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Wayne</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:City><FONT
size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">When I said Im still fairly new around here I was
referring to Vision 2020 and many of its oddities that Im still familiarizing
myself with. I am still clueless as to what an insider/outsider
is. I asked a sincere question and I did not lie or contradict myself at
all. I think Ive accomplished what I would want to for the most
part regarding your problem of evil argument that has now turned into a
discussion about induction. I think Im going to take a bit of a break
from vision 2020, so Ill see you all sometime again in the near
future.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Thanks<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Michael Metzler<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Wayne</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:City><FONT
size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> Wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">You have repeatedly said on this forum that you have
been here 8 - 9 years. In fact in an email from yesterday you
said:</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">"Hey, it has only been
about 8 years I think."</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">That statement does not sit well with another
statement you made in an email that shortly followed
it.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">"Im still fairly new
around here."</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Evidently you did not read my post to you about
hidden premises/assumptions and unnecessary/irrelevant premises, etc.
Your false statement:</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">"Im still fairly new
around here."</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">is not necessary in order to get an answer to the
question you posed:</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">"What is a '<st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Christ</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Church</st1:PlaceType></st1:PersonName></st1:place>
insider/outsider'?"</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I am very disappointed by your behavior in this
instance.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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