[Vision2020] Is John Calvin an Intolerista?

[Donovan Arnold]

Wayne,

What you fail to understand is that the genius of the
quote:

"Is X good because God says so or does God says so
because X is (intrinsically) good.,"

is the not the answer, which is obvious, what is
genius is in the creation of the question.

The question implies falsely that "GOD" and "GOOD" are
two separate independent entities. They are not. They
are the same thing. 

We already went over this in junior college. 

DJA




--- Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:

> Neither Michael nor Donvan apparently understand the
> problem created by:
> 
> "Is X good because God says so or does God says so
> because X is 
> (intrinsically) good."
> 
> The first extant extended discussion of this dilemma
> occurred in Plato's 
> dialogue
> 
> Euthyphro 
> http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/euthyfro.html
> 
> Anthony Flew is one modern philosopher who has
> talked about this dilemma.
> 
> If Donovan, Michael, or anyone else wish to gain
> some insight into this 
> problem, then they should first read and understand
> what transpires in 
> Euthyphro.
> 
> After that, they may wish to read some of Anthony
> Flew's many remarks on 
> this subject.
> 
> To find such remarks, Google:
> 
> Euthyphro  "anthony flew"
> 
> 
> Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
> deco at moscow.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Donovan Arnold"
> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Michael" <metzler at moscow.com>;
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 4:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is John Calvin an
> Intolerista?
> 
> 
> > "X is good because God says so and God says so
> because
> > X is intrinsically good.  Seems like one just
> comes
> > along with the other with an eternal Trinity. 
> Right?"
> > --- Michael Metzler
> >
> > Well put Michael. Many do not get they are the
> same.
> > All things obedient to God's will are good, and
> things
> > against it are evil. Good cannot go against God's
> will
> > by definition of the term "Good". Wayne's question
> is
> > like asking us to draw two parallel lines that
> > intersect or to describe a circle that has a
> radius
> > greater than its circumference.
> >
> > --DJA
> >
> >
> >> Wayne Wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "you have ignored the problem discussed by Plato
> and
> >> recently discussed on
> >> this forum:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Is X good merely because god says so or does god
> say
> >> so because X is
> >> (intrinsically) good?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> W. T. Jones also discusses this problem in his
> >> chapters on Plato."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Me:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This is a good example of how the Classical
> >> Christian God is a good way to
> >> address the more general problems of any god-x. 
> X
> >> is good because God says
> >> so and God says so because X is intrinsically
> good.
> >> Seems like one just
> >> comes along with the other with an eternal
> Trinity.
> >> Right?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --Michael Metzler
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >
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